http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-89...spagenameZWDVW

They worth it?

Look like import crap?

What are your thoughts?

 

If it doesnt stick throught the fender its going to give you less power,,,, the stock setup is pretty good,,,slps cold air intake is the form as stock, 99% of the air your getting with the stocker isnt from your hot engine compartment, with an open element and no heat block off shields surrounding it 99% of the air you pull is from the hot engine compartment

 

I completely disagree with you.

Yes, cold air is dense air but it is not about the temp. It is about the velocity. If it were about cold air then in the winter we would have insane cars.

SLP uses ridges and charges you alot for an ugly turbulent setup.

 

so you think that hotter intake charge running through a cone filter thatll give it better swirl initally is going to gain you more velocity than a stocker,, ... is that before or after it hits the maf fins,,,, or the 90deg bend before the throttle body,,,,, or the throttle body blades.... or the egr walls,,,, or the 90deg bend directly before it hits the heads in the lower intake? Buy the time the air hits the intake valves the only difference between that intake and GMs is going to be the temp of the air.

 

that intake is crap it will not be a direct fit you will have to modify it trust me. it may be slightly better than stock, you would probably achieve better performance if you gutted the stock box and save some money too
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on a side note i dont think ive ever seen that style heater box before but i usually only peek under camaro hoods

 

cold air DEFINITELY matters because it is denser than warm air. more air = more gooder.

 

its totally more gooder!!!!! Cold air is the goodest!!!! ...well said my friend

 

Anyone have opinions on this system or is everyone having a contest to see who has the least amount of grammar education?

 

I understand your looking for opinions but everything I told ya is a fact... dont waste your money.. I wont say en e mo.

 

Just because you typed something does not make anything a fact. The fact is you are not right and to an extent neither am a I.

It is a delicate balance. Cold air is nothing if the path to the TB is restrictive. This is why Velocity is important.

Re-read this thread. We have people that simply say Cold air is better and that's it, nothing to back it up just like the majority of BS said on this message board.

Show me your facts on why cold air is better in a restrictive intake than warm air in a greatly less restrictive intake.

If I am wrong, I am wrong, the only problem is you haven't proved anything.

 

fom kenny bell, they know a little bit about performance..." LOCATION - When will the rest get this right? Never, never locate an exposed air filter in the engine compartment where the temperature can be 150° hotter (+10°=1%HP loss) and result in up to 50HP loss! " ...... sorry I know I said I wouldnt chime in but Im trying to help you.

 

your both right and wrong. But i have to say you are more wronger (lol). What he is saying is that, as we all know, including him, yes cold air is better. However, the stock CIAs are shoddy at best. Take yours off and look inside it sometime. The tubes turn more into slits at the narrowest part. Can't be more than 1/4 of an inch thick. Meanwhile, the in-compartment intakes are 2.5-3 inches thick the whole way. And although they are eating in warmer air, the 3 in diameter pipe is flowing more air mass (albeit less dense air) then 2 sides of 1/4 inch slits flow (albeit what they do flow is more dense).



That's what he is saying, and i believe he is correct. I know how important cold air is by how much better my Grand Am runs during cool summer nights compared to hot nights (i even gain a mile or 2 per gallon!). But still, more air is better, no matter how dense it is.


This is why I'm trying to open up the stock intake as big as possible. to get the best of both worlds, since an intake/exhaust is only as good as it's narrowest point. at least in my experience. There is also another guy around here somewhere who fabricated his own factory style intake, although he made it from scratch and opened it up ALOT. I believe he had documented, rather notable, Horsepower gains.

 

Yes, I think we can all agree that temp, AND amount of air BOTH make a difference.

The OP has a corvette aparently, and I'm not familiar with the factory intake. On Camaros however, with the baffles removed, it is STILL "Cold Air", and it flows plenty of air for even a moderately built 350. No matter what you do, you're not going flow better than an intake that's already providing adequate air.

....On pontiacs however, the stock intake, IIRC, DOES in fact restrict airflow, which is why the SLP intake is popular.

It's been proven time and time and time again, that without a power adder, you CAN NOT feed an engine more air than it needs. Typically (depending on motor) the Camaro, and SLP (and probably Vette) intake provide plenty of air, and it's "COLD", meaning it doesn't draw air from the engine bay.

......which would mean that the intake listed on ebay is NOT going to help any.

 

colder air in a restricted system would be better than warm air in a slightly less restrictive system because of the fact that colder air is denser, and by that i mean that theres more oxygen molecules per cubic inch of air as compared to say a cubic inch of hot air.

 

FWIW, that car in the auction is a Monte SS, I 'know' the guy who owns that car from another forum.........

Sorry, I know that has nothing to do with this thread, but someone mentioned something about the heater box..........


And here's some of my half-*** input......NOS is basically cold/dense air in a bottle isn't it? ( people with a high degree in science PLEASE do not reply )

 

I just can't resist.

ASSuming that your intake is not restricting you at the moment and that you're running the complete stock configuration.....This intake will hurt you. Stock is restricitive but "cold". This is not restrictive but "hot".
Without a power adder, your engine will not take more air than it needs.

I have run back to back races at the track with and without the factory intake setup and the other with a cone filter on the end of the throttle body (92 GTA). The factory setup actually netted me .1 seconds faster and 1 mph quicker over the "hot" cone filter. This test was done when the car was "stock".
I ended up running with the filter on the TB just because it looked and sounded better even though it slowed me down a hair.

I do believe that velocity helps but in our TPI systems there are too many transitions that without extensive port matching will negate any velocity gains that could have been realized.

Scanning software will tell you without a doubt if you need to increase intake tubing size.

Bottom line
Cold air
Hot air
Velocity in a TPI - negligible

You could buy that system, cut a hole through your tray where your current filter sits, add some pipe to the new system, and run a filter below the tray. If nothing else, that system is a cheap way to get you most of the way to an excellent location for a truly non restrictive, cold air intake.

Take it how you will

 

the engine is an air pump period............

the smoother the air comes in the better

the colder the air comes in when the motor is hot the better

bottom line

dont get two technical with this one

I use that same setup and like it alot

I am going to run some pcv from a scoop underneath to get some colder air to it but I could tell diff

if you dont have real world exp ke

KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF

would it help if I said

PLEASE

if those ribs dont mean anything in the stock form put some ribs in the intake and the heads and see what happens

 

we all read the entire thread. it isn't like it's a book. if you don't want people's opinions then don't post. do your homework and you will see why cooler air is better than warmer air for an engine.

 

Are you kidding me... he asked for peoples opinions, Ive got an opinion about something but Ill keep it to myself

 

And then when people gave him their opinion, he pointed out how wrong they are.

 

tekkitan

all I can say is

 

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