Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
Ive recently bought an 89 camaro that sat for five years before i got it,ive tuned it up plugs,wires,coil,cap,rotor and still after about 10-15 minutes of drive time it backfires badly and loses all power then dies.Im not getting a service light or anything,so no codes to provide.Also after the tune up was complete it developed a very rough idle.
Tune up consisted of an MSD coil and wires,BWD cap and rotor and OEM plugs.
Im not sure if this makes any difference but ive put premium gasoline in it.
Tune up consisted of an MSD coil and wires,BWD cap and rotor and OEM plugs.
Im not sure if this makes any difference but ive put premium gasoline in it.
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
does the Service Engine Soon light come on with the ignition in the ON position?
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
Ive recently bought an 89 camaro that sat for five years before i got it,ive tuned it up plugs,wires,coil,cap,rotor and still after about 10-15 minutes of drive time it backfires badly and loses all power then dies.Im not getting a service light or anything,so no codes to provide.Also after the tune up was complete it developed a very rough idle.
Tune up consisted of an MSD coil and wires,BWD cap and rotor and OEM plugs.
Im not sure if this makes any difference but ive put premium gasoline in it.
Tune up consisted of an MSD coil and wires,BWD cap and rotor and OEM plugs.
Im not sure if this makes any difference but ive put premium gasoline in it.
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Car: Trailblazer EXT 4.2 (Firebird Form)
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Transmission: 700R4 Mega Raptor Level 4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
well if I were you and the car had been sitting that long, I would replace the air filter and O2 sensor for starters... then see where you're at...
Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
No i didnt have it when it sat,the air filter is K&N and it looks fine,O2 sensor will be checked out today.
This is a stock TPI the only aftermarket parts on it to my knowledge are the parts ive put on.The MSD coil and wires are about as far as ive gotten.
I did just discover yesterday that my cooling fans dont come on,so thats getting fixed today as well.The timing did get adjusted yesterday the idle smoothed a little bit,but it still isnt making the power it should and still the backfire problem exsists after about 10-15 minutes of drive time.
Could the premium gasoline be causing any of my problems,is there anything i should have done to the car before putting that in?
This is a stock TPI the only aftermarket parts on it to my knowledge are the parts ive put on.The MSD coil and wires are about as far as ive gotten.
I did just discover yesterday that my cooling fans dont come on,so thats getting fixed today as well.The timing did get adjusted yesterday the idle smoothed a little bit,but it still isnt making the power it should and still the backfire problem exsists after about 10-15 minutes of drive time.
Could the premium gasoline be causing any of my problems,is there anything i should have done to the car before putting that in?
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
did you put the car into limp mode in order to set the base timing appropriately?
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
lol... you bypass the ecm, either by ground the AB ports or by disconnecting a wire next to the distributor... once you do this the RPM will drop and will almost sound like a wide lope...
Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
I think the guy who is helping me did that but i will double check to be sure.
Also he disconnected the Mass Air Flow sensor and there wasn't any difference in the way the car ran with it connected,could this be part of the problem?
Also he disconnected the Mass Air Flow sensor and there wasn't any difference in the way the car ran with it connected,could this be part of the problem?
Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
OK so ive replaced the O2 sensor and it seems to have helped a little bit,idle is alot smoother but im still getting a serious backfire at about 3500-4000 RPM.When its in drive and moving i get almost no power and when it reaches that 3500 RPM mark it backfires and nearly dies.
Going to take another look at the timing tomorrow just to make sure it hasnt jumped.
Going to take another look at the timing tomorrow just to make sure it hasnt jumped.
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
OK so ive replaced the O2 sensor and it seems to have helped a little bit,idle is alot smoother but im still getting a serious backfire at about 3500-4000 RPM.When its in drive and moving i get almost no power and when it reaches that 3500 RPM mark it backfires and nearly dies.
Going to take another look at the timing tomorrow just to make sure it hasnt jumped.
Going to take another look at the timing tomorrow just to make sure it hasnt jumped.
I didn't push the RPMs to high since I didn't want it to backfire.
Plugs 6 and 8 were arcing really bad and I have a nasty vacuum leak.
Was going to fix it today but it started to get chilly when I got back from the parts store.
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
time for some new plug wires... get something that is at least 8mm...
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
Ya, I bought some MSD Streetfire 8mm wires. I have a set of 8mm wires on now, but with the heat from the headers and 7 years of use the boots are all cracked. Didn't notice it till I looked at it thursday night when I was fixing a coolant leak in the Dennys Parking lot.
Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
Ive got brand new MSD 8.5 wires on it,all properly ran and nothing is touching anywhere.
Im going to try replacing the Mass air flow when i get paid see if that solves anything,unless someone can suggest something different.
Im going to try replacing the Mass air flow when i get paid see if that solves anything,unless someone can suggest something different.
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
7 years!!!!!!!!!!... geez I change mine every year...
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Re: Rough idle Backfires when car reaches norm operating temp
I've had the same plug wires for at least 10 years. The ceramic coating on the headers helps, as well as the Made For You looms keeping the wires routed away from them.
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