[Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
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[Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Lately the 305's been taking a long time to start, before it used to be the typically quick crank, now it's taking a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IksTC6LF_g
(My foot was not on the pedal at all during this video)
(Tach is messed up as well)
Is it because I switched to synthetic oil blend, instead of high mileage oil?
Sometimes to speed up the half crank half dying, i press on the pedal in an attempt to get more fuel to crank the rest of the engine. Engine idle's fine I guess afterwards.
This usually happens at cold starts, when the engine's warm it cranks quick as usual. I just don't understand what conditions cause this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IksTC6LF_g
(My foot was not on the pedal at all during this video)
(Tach is messed up as well)
Is it because I switched to synthetic oil blend, instead of high mileage oil?
Sometimes to speed up the half crank half dying, i press on the pedal in an attempt to get more fuel to crank the rest of the engine. Engine idle's fine I guess afterwards.
This usually happens at cold starts, when the engine's warm it cranks quick as usual. I just don't understand what conditions cause this.
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Next time the engine has been sitting for awhile, and when the engine gets cold, remove the cap on the schraeder valve on the fuel rail, depress it, and see if there is fuel in the rails. I had a similar problem with my GTA when it got cold and was sitting for awhile, as some of the injectors were a little leaky on me essentially causing an immediate drop in pressure....
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
What would that indicate then if there is/is no fuel in the rails?
And where what does a schraeder valve look like?
Excuse my novice-ness to specific engine parts.
And where what does a schraeder valve look like?
Excuse my novice-ness to specific engine parts.
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Originally Posted by Krishan
What would that indicate then if there is/is no fuel in the rails?
Originally Posted by Krishan
And where what does a schraeder valve look like?
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
So I look at the schraeder valve, and I notice: theres no cap on it!
So the engine's cold, and i poke the needle with the tip of a screwdriver, gas comes out
Crank the engine again, long crank...again.
And now as I look at the uncovered valve, I see gasoline STILL seeping out and I havent even touched it yet.
So the engine's cold, and i poke the needle with the tip of a screwdriver, gas comes out
Crank the engine again, long crank...again.
And now as I look at the uncovered valve, I see gasoline STILL seeping out and I havent even touched it yet.
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Originally Posted by Krishan
So I look at the schraeder valve, and I notice: theres no cap on it!
So the engine's cold, and i poke the needle with the tip of a screwdriver, gas comes out
Crank the engine again, long crank...again.
And now as I look at the uncovered valve, I see gasoline STILL seeping out and I havent even touched it yet.
So the engine's cold, and i poke the needle with the tip of a screwdriver, gas comes out
Crank the engine again, long crank...again.
And now as I look at the uncovered valve, I see gasoline STILL seeping out and I havent even touched it yet.
Once that is fixed, and if the problem persists, I would inspect the diaphragm on the regulator to make sure fuel isn't seeping out, as well as the injectors themselves. The way we check for leaky injectors is by removing and lifting the fuel rail up in the air with the injectors being removed from the intake manifold, but kept in place in the fuel rail, turning the key in the ON position (do not start the engine), and seeing if any of them are leaking. Once these areas are confirmed, we can then move on to other possibilities....
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Once that is fixed, and if the problem persists, I would inspect the diaphragm on the regulator to make sure fuel isn't seeping out, as well as the injectors themselves. The way we check for leaky injectors is by removing and lifting the fuel rail up in the air with the injectors being removed from the intake manifold, but kept in place in the fuel rail, turning the key in the ON position (do not start the engine), and seeing if any of them are leaking. Once these areas are confirmed, we can then move on to other possibilities....
Once that is fixed, and if the problem persists, I would inspect the diaphragm on the regulator to make sure fuel isn't seeping out, as well as the injectors themselves. The way we check for leaky injectors is by removing and lifting the fuel rail up in the air with the injectors being removed from the intake manifold, but kept in place in the fuel rail, turning the key in the ON position (do not start the engine), and seeing if any of them are leaking. Once these areas are confirmed, we can then move on to other possibilities....
Will the fuel rail come off together with the injectors as one piece?-or do I need to take off piece by piece and reassemble it outside the engine.
Is there anything delicate in particular that I should take extra precautions with as I remove the fuel rail?
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Can you explain what goes wrong with the engine during cranking when the fuel injectors are leaky-like why it takes a longer time and what the engine/computer does to finally get the motor running. Im just thinking in terms of theory
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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Originally Posted by Krishan
When you say "diaphragm on the regulator", what regulator are you referring to?
Originally Posted by Krishan
Will the fuel rail come off together with the injectors as one piece?-or do I need to take off piece by piece and reassemble it outside the engine.
Originally Posted by Krishan
Is there anything delicate in particular that I should take extra precautions with as I remove the fuel rail?
Originally Posted by Krishan
Can you explain what goes wrong with the engine during cranking when the fuel injectors are leaky-like why it takes a longer time and what the engine/computer does to finally get the motor running. Im just thinking in terms of theory 

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Re: [Video] Crazy long crank time, what do my gauges say?
Next time you try to start the car, hold the throttle to the boards when you crank, and see if that results in the car starting faster. My GTA takes forever to start when it's been less than 12+ hours since having last run, and I think it's because I have an injector(s) leaking. It starts a lot better if I keep the throttle to the boards while I crank. If your car starts easier with it floored, it could be a good indication that you've got leaky injectors.
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