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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 11:06 AM
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Starter slow

Hey guys, so I have an 87 Z28 and when I first start it up it starts fine. Once it gets warmed up and I shut off the engine, starting up
is sluggish almost like there's a drain on the battery. Battery, alternator and starter are new. Was told it sounds like a timing issue.
Does anyone else agree or have any other suggestions? Thanks to all that reply.
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 11:20 AM
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Re: Starter slow


Checking the timing with the est disconnected is easy.
You should be at 6 s tdc. If it was the timing it should crank slower (big down) engine cold.
sounds like starter heat soak.
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 02:15 PM
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Re: Starter slow

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Checking the timing with the est disconnected is easy.
You should be at 6 s tdc. If it was the timing it should crank slower (big down) engine cold.
sounds like starter heat soak.
Agreed, heat soak in the starter expands things increasing friction and also electrical resistance posing a bigger load on the battery.
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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Re: Starter slow

So, is the solution ANOTHER NEW starter I need or...?
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 03:16 PM
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Re: Starter slow

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So, is the solution ANOTHER NEW starter I need or...?
Well, there is a lot of possibilities. Just giving you the most common issue based off your description. I have also seen ICM cause issues when they get hot as well, but if it runs normal after it get's started I wouldn't think that is an issue.

Hate to tell you, but not every starter or alternator coming off the the shelf at the parts store is created (or should I say re manufactured) equally. The parts stores can test them, the issue is getting them to test it as hot as it is setting on your car after it has been running.

I hope things have changed over the years, but back in the day I worked at a auto parts store chain. Lots of starters and alternators came back defective under their warranty period.
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 04:54 PM
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Re: Starter slow

I solved my issue with a gear reduction starter used on ‘89-up L98 Corvettes. Delco -Remy, just under $100 from Rockauto, brand new, not rebuilt Three years, an no further issues, and I drive mine several times a week. My son also uses the same starter in his ‘87 El Camino, and has had the same experience.

You also will need different starter bolts, but otherwise, no modifications are needed.
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Old Oct 12, 2018 | 07:11 PM
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Re: Starter slow

Originally Posted by KyleF
Agreed, heat soak in the starter expands things increasing friction and also electrical resistance posing a bigger load on the battery.
The above happens to a small degree. The real cause is that magnets lose their pulling force rapidly with increased temperature.
That is why the engine cranks fine when cold and slowly when the starter is hot. Headers really close to the starter really add to this problem.
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