welding the spider gears?
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welding the spider gears?
a freind told me that if i weld my spider gears together or sumthing along the lines of that. it will make my 96 rearend similar to a locker. is this correct?
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I have a locker and it's fine in the rain
Whole lot better than when it was an open rear.
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you guys left out the real danger.
the GM axles are held in by a lil clip inside the diff.
that tiny C clip is the ONLY thing holding your axles in.
the stock axles arnt very strong.
if you weld the gears together and drive on the street, the stress of the the two wheels trying to turn diffrent speeds (and ending up slipping the tires instead)is huge.
eventually the axle fails. itbreaks. now on a ford or any other non Cclip car, its not a big deal.. pull over to the side of the road and get a tow.
but since thoes tiny c clips are in the middle of the axle.... when it breaks, the axle starts to slide out. and you get somthing like this:
dangerous and stupid thing to do.
the GM axles are held in by a lil clip inside the diff.
that tiny C clip is the ONLY thing holding your axles in.
the stock axles arnt very strong.
if you weld the gears together and drive on the street, the stress of the the two wheels trying to turn diffrent speeds (and ending up slipping the tires instead)is huge.
eventually the axle fails. itbreaks. now on a ford or any other non Cclip car, its not a big deal.. pull over to the side of the road and get a tow.
but since thoes tiny c clips are in the middle of the axle.... when it breaks, the axle starts to slide out. and you get somthing like this:
dangerous and stupid thing to do.
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I guess doing that would be ok for a car that just goes straight (one strickly for track), but i'd rather spend the money to buy a new rear or posi unit. Get the slp take off unit, its 99 bucks and very good from what I hear, im installing one as we speak, soon as I get home from work.
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Originally posted by pasky
I guess doing that would be ok for a car that just goes straight (one strickly for track)
I guess doing that would be ok for a car that just goes straight (one strickly for track)
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guy came into the high school autoshop back when i was in high school... had a V8 in a S10....
i watched him weld up the gears...
2 months later, it broke, and he smashed into a jersy barrier... totaled the truck.
it is NOT a good idea.
i watched him weld up the gears...
2 months later, it broke, and he smashed into a jersy barrier... totaled the truck.
it is NOT a good idea.
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Most people refer to limited slip as Posi. Limited slip, or a locker, lets you turn corners, which this isnt about. This is LOCKED, just like a spool. The wheels MUST turn the same speed and direction at all times.
Looking at my 2 sec drawing(representing tires on a turn) you can see why you cant run a welded or spooled rearend on the street very long without problems. The outside tire must rotate faster and has farther to go around a turn, while the inside tire rotates slower and has less distance to travel. This will cause bindage in a locked rearend.
Posi/LSD/Lockers/spools/welded are all a little tricky in the rain, both tires will loose grip if too much throttle is applied, makint it easier for the car to spin...
Looking at my 2 sec drawing(representing tires on a turn) you can see why you cant run a welded or spooled rearend on the street very long without problems. The outside tire must rotate faster and has farther to go around a turn, while the inside tire rotates slower and has less distance to travel. This will cause bindage in a locked rearend.
Posi/LSD/Lockers/spools/welded are all a little tricky in the rain, both tires will loose grip if too much throttle is applied, makint it easier for the car to spin...
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Originally posted by MrDude_1
you guys left out the real danger.
the GM axles are held in by a lil clip inside the diff.
that tiny C clip is the ONLY thing holding your axles in.
the stock axles arnt very strong.
if you weld the gears together and drive on the street, the stress of the the two wheels trying to turn diffrent speeds (and ending up slipping the tires instead)is huge.
eventually the axle fails. itbreaks. now on a ford or any other non Cclip car, its not a big deal.. pull over to the side of the road and get a tow.
but since thoes tiny c clips are in the middle of the axle.... when it breaks, the axle starts to slide out. and you get somthing like this:
dangerous and stupid thing to do.
you guys left out the real danger.
the GM axles are held in by a lil clip inside the diff.
that tiny C clip is the ONLY thing holding your axles in.
the stock axles arnt very strong.
if you weld the gears together and drive on the street, the stress of the the two wheels trying to turn diffrent speeds (and ending up slipping the tires instead)is huge.
eventually the axle fails. itbreaks. now on a ford or any other non Cclip car, its not a big deal.. pull over to the side of the road and get a tow.
but since thoes tiny c clips are in the middle of the axle.... when it breaks, the axle starts to slide out. and you get somthing like this:
dangerous and stupid thing to do.
hey MRDUDE, do u remeber where u got that pic from and whos car it was of,
if ya don't it was mine lol
neway i don't plan on doing this but me a few friends had a large argument over this topic because one of them was saying that if u weld them it will become a one legger.
i just wanted to ask about it
Last edited by wyclefsirocz; Feb 2, 2004 at 05:01 PM.
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woah, i didnt know about that c clip thing.
thanks MrDude-1 you taught me something new. (not that i was thinking of welding my axle or anything...)
thanks MrDude-1 you taught me something new. (not that i was thinking of welding my axle or anything...)
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Originally posted by wyclefsirocz
my axles wheren't welded.
my c clip just got a lil misplaced
my axles wheren't welded.
my c clip just got a lil misplaced
yea, but it has the same effect.
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