I don't think it's 330ft/lbs since my brother has my 93 T56 and we dynoed his car a few weeks ago and it put down 328hp and 330tq at the wheels, I am too lazy to figure out what the crank hp and tq are.
Oh, and the car is riding on 275/40/17 Nitto DR's.
I do hope he breaks my tranny so he can get me a 94-97 unit since I have 4.10's and the 93 T56 has those funky gear ratios..

If I remember correctly, it was 400 for the 93 and 450 for the 94-97.

 

Someone tell me why an 01 SS auto with stall, headers, catback, DR's, (basically a bolt on car) runs 11.87 and a T56 01 SS with same mods (except for the stall of course) can only get mid 12's.

Head over to LS1.com and check out the Top100, and look at the HP/TQ and weight of all the cars and what tranny is used.
You'll notice that the auto cars run a lot faster with less HP/TQ than the manual cars.

 

well until my engine is complete i am going to have to stick with the T56 conversion kit i bought a day ago. now, will a Richmond 6 speed bolt right up considering i already converted to a '94 T56 using a SPD crossmember?

can the same clutch pack from my T56 be used (Mcleod Twin disk)?
can all the other same parts be used that i got in the conversion kit?

 

Because it's all in the launch. period. What clutch are the guys with the t-56 using? What 60' times are each cutting? 330'?
The only thing stopping a 6 speed WS6 or SS with a high performance clutch and dr's from hitting 1.6 sec 60' is the whimpy 10 bolt.

So once again, it comes down to the precision of your launches, as stated many times in this post already. So that is why, Zepher, the auto runs 11.87. I am seriously interested to see the launch times of the 6-speeds. It is all about skill, and it is not sounding like that is the case over there. I could give the auto a tenth or two, or maybe even three, but that is it.

With over 80k on stock replacement shocks, 160k on the springs, a torque arm miss adjusted to +2 degrees (as opposed to the proper -2 degrees), stock lca's and bushings, stock spec clutch, and some very cheapy 255 all weather tires I cut 2.0xx 60' times. Horrible 60's yes, but given all the crap suspension and tires, not too bad. It's all about learning to launch the car, which I doubt the guys with those mods on the ls1 boards have learned to do.

I am very confident I will be cutting 1.6's or better when I get everything back together in the new ride. It may take a while to adjust to the new new set up, but I will.
I am not saying that my times in the quarter will be better than if I had a properly setup auto either as I only expect high 11's from my combo so swapping to an auto for the best et's is boarderline, I'm just saying that I will be a hell of a lot closer than a .5 second difference. And for what I possibly risk in higher et's, I will take in just about every other category, from highway racing, to rolling starts, to autocross.

 

I think so, but I'm not sure if the richmond 6-speed uses a t-5 bellhousing, as I recal one of them doing. I'm sure if you went with a t-56 made for '94-'97 f-bodies it will work, but a search will probably work best, or post it in a new thread.

 

i have the 94 T56 bellhousing with the conversion kit.

 

ok, explain this then.
going off in the direction zepher said.


my friend jay has a orange 99 camaro.



4600 stall.
longtubes.
cutout (stock catback)
lid.



hes running 11.9s.. BUT.....


HE HAS A 2.73 REAR!!!!!!!


its not ALL in the launch.


a few posts back, you quoted a guy who said he went faster with his C4 then with the manual... and you said he was saying the oppisate of everyone else.


re-read the thread... you're the only one saying the auto is slower on the strip then the manual.


look at the power loss between the manual and auto.. because that is the only valid arguement they made.

im just trying to show you what teh REAL WORLD is, and not what you're working out on paper.... thats it. i think i explained it well enough... im not going to talk about the autoVs manual anymore.








onto the guy with the blown 383 swapping to a T56...... get the T56... if you like manuals, you wont regret it. you may blow it up, you may not, but even with a $8000 built trans, you're still running that chance. 1000 ftlbs is a insane powerlevel, and at that level, stuff breaks.
T56 is STRONGER THEN THE RICHMOND 6 SPEED. so dont bother looking at thoes.... the T56 is also compareable to the older 4spds... but thoes are hard to find, and you wont have overdrive.



speaking of overdrive..... yes you can have too much overdrive... a perfect example is my car.
i have a T56... i have 2.73s... i cant even use 6th until im over 80mph.

heres how to check what gear for best gas miliage with a EFI car:

hook a laptop or scan tool to the car... look at the TPS or % throttle..
go a constant speed down the hwy... like 65.
go 65 in 5th... see your TPS... lets say 12%
now shift to 6th..... hold the constant 65mph
look at the TPS
if it goes lower.. like 8% you're saving gas.
if, like my car, it goes higher, like 22%, you're overdriven too far.. wasting gas.

 

Are you going with 4.10's? You should.
You can cruise at 65 in 6th, step on the gas and it will pull. you can even race ricers without dropping to 4th.

 

i think r90camarors worries tooo much about 60 foot times, ever been in a turbo car....the 60 foots can be good, but they turn on like a mother after that, i got killed by one that i took for almost half track...so many variables to this thread that its crazy

 

I have.
I've driven a 95 Supra TT and a 96 3000GT VR-4 at the track. VR-4 was funner since it was a manual, but it was dog slow. 13.7@100.
The Auto Supra ran 12.8@117.

 

Wow, either you cannot fully understand what I am saying or you just do need read the entire post. Either way, you totally miss quote me. Why don't you fully re-read what I wrote. When I said it went against everything everybody else was saying, I was refering to the manual launching better than the auto. Can you understand that??? Because I was pretty sure the general concensus was that autos launch better......which I agreed to as well.
It is if all else are equal, less transmission. But you are right, it is not all about the launch when engine output, and various other factors from weight to rear end.

If you notice, he never said they had the same setups. And having a better 60' time but then losing by over half a second is not the manuals fault, plain and simple. The guy must have been miss geared or under powered in comparison to louich

Good for Jay. What else does he have done? because I find those times very hard to believe based on those mods, especially considering I know a guy that had those same mods, except he had 3.42s, dual ram air funtional hood, throttlebody, LCAs and panhard bar, coated long tubes, electric cut out, MAF sensor, and borla cat back on his '01 Z. And he barely hit's 12.5....and thats with very little spin off the line. Also, he is not over geared.....

The fact is that you are right, what looks good on paper does not always transfer to real life applications. However, unless you swap directly from a manual with a stage 3 clutch to an auto with the perfect stall, you cannot properly compare two different cars, which is what is going on.

I already said that when I wrote:

 

Totally different application.
There is a reason the general rule is that every tenth you save on the 60' equates to two tenths off your et.... Fact is fact. Run the strip twice. The first time, make a 2.2sec 60'. Next run, cut a 1.9 sec 60'. Take a guess as to which will make for a better et......

Since everybody is into stories....my friend had an auto turbo eclipse with turbo and ecu upgrades, granted stock stall. Ran a 15.7 at 93mph. He was set on a 5 speed, and went with another turbo eclipse but with the manual and ran a 14.7 at 97mph. AWD on both

 

a little late reply but...

i will be running a Miniram with 20-25PSI ATI F1 Procharger system. will be running a MSD Digital CPC ignition system for the ultimate in tuning capabilities. i AM keeping my 4.10's (i love them so much) and am most likely keeping the T56 after all the trouble ive gone throught to find a complete kit (although when the engine is dropped the T56 will get "built") i have a carbon fiber driveshaft, all aftermarket Spohn suspension except for the BMR Extreme duty torqu arm, 9" posi rear end,31 spline axles, soon to be a detroit locker, currently BFG 315-30-17 tires but have extra set of drag rims with M/T slicks not used yet, still need a roll cage but thats all in good time, could use a new paint job, and once all the performance is finished (which we all know never really happens) i will be getting a new sound system and start customizing the interior.

whew didnt think i was gonna type everything bout my ride and the future plans but oh well. my one goal is to destroy every R!CE mobile around here which currently the fastest seem to be the Subaru STI's and one guy with a 10 sec SRT-4

 

i did... remember thoes pics of the busted rear i posted everywhere? that was my 4.10 rear... im leaving the 2.73s in until next month when i can just drop a 9" in and be done with it.

what else? nothing. its fuggin amazing.. call it a factoyr freak, or call it BS.... most people at the track just call BS on the gears... you can call it whatever though... i think ive heard everything over that car...


as for the "similar" guy... the gears should help, but the hood, throttle body, LCAs, panhard MAF sensor and catback are bull**** mods.
he should have a converter.

4600 stall
longtubes.
cutout (stock catback)
lid.


thats the diff.... oh, and jay runs ET streets now... but thats it.

go ahead and ask if you have questions.. local board is www.scfyb.com

why can he do it? its a friggin 4600 stall on a LS1.


in anycase, i think this thread is about done.