Transmissions and Drivetrain Need help with your trans? Problems with your axle?

Shift kit - $311cdn ??

Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:14 AM
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Car: Custom 1992 Camaro Z28 25th Anniver
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Shift kit - $311cdn ??

I recently got my trasmission fixed and they also installed a shift kit in my 1992 Camaro Z28 with 700R4 Auto Trans.

My Transmission shop charged $311cdn for it? Yet I'm being told they are like $100, IF THAT..

Did they SERIOUSLY rip me off???

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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
A basic shift kit which is just a valve body reprogram is about $100.

A master rebuild kit which includes a shift kit, all the new frictions, seals etc is around $300
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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That seems high. Stephen is right at around 100.00 (US)for the kit and since they rebuilt the tranny there shouldnt be any labor for the kit install. 44.56 to road test? I would have thought they wouldnt have charged you for that since you got it rebuilt there. 3500 for a 700 is lot but that is cdn. retail rebuilds here are about 1700.00 US.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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is it a stall coverter
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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I think he looked at your car and thought "this guy must be loaded for cash"

I think you got raped for that rebuild. You could have got a brand new trans ready for 450HP for less money.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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seriously 3500??
how much is that american

100 for a boost valve?
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Originally posted by roughskinjrz
is it a stall coverter
All converters are "stall" converters. Every torque converter stalls at a specific speed. Factory converters are just low stall converters. A converter's exact stall speed depends on how much torque is put into it. A converter that stalls at 2000 rpm in a relativly stock engine may stall at 2500 in a more powerful engine.

Asking that is as bad as asking if those are "cheater slicks" or if you have a 3/4 race cam.

NHRA427: You'll see they refunded that fee in the totals. Personally I think they charged for too much on everything. $300 to take it out and rip it apart. $1500 to rebuild and another $200 to put it back in. Even at a high shop rate of $70/hour, it doesn't take 3 hours to put the tranny back in.

$5.89 per liter of oil. That better be synthetic for that price.

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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i just meant what size was the stall
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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I paid $130 for a shift kit install, new fluid and new filter also.
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 01:01 AM
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What kind of shift kit did they put in?
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 12:44 AM
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Turns out it is a "Sonnax" ?

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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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wow no offense but, you definetly seem like you got ripped off .
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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I'm heading back there on Sunday to have the 2 week check up. What EXACTLY should I ask?

What brand of Shift kit? What TYPE? what else?
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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It is kinda high, my friend paid 1300 for his 700r4 rebuild with a brand new torque converter. 44$ for a test drive when they did labor, sounds like you paid them to take it for a joy ride. I would question them on all of there prices. Did you get a quote anywhere near that?
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 12:03 AM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
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Ask what brand the shift kind is. What's included in it. If it's just a valve body reprogram, then why so expensive. If a complete rebuild kit, did it include the band that they charged extra for. The receipt says to see reverse for parts and labour included on the rebuild. What parts, how long for the rebuild? A good tranny mechanic should be able to rebuild a tranny in less than a few hours. $1500 is either a lot of extra parts or a few days of labour (just to rebuild the tranny). I wonder just what's included in the rebuild. They didn't have to test the torque converter since you got a remaned one. It was already disassembled. Replacing hard parts like sprags, and drums could add to the cost but a typical rebuild kit will include everything except hard parts and should come with the band.

What gets me is $300 to pull and disassemble the tranny so the "rebuild" won't include disassembly. Another $200 to put it back in the car then another $65 to fix any mistakes they made installing it.

As I already mentioned, the $44 test drive was refunded when the work was done.

I haven't had to buy normal ATF for a while but $5.89CAD/liter seems a little high but I could be wrong.

It's hard to fight labour costs if you don't know exactly what they've done. When I'm working on a vehicle and it takes longer to fix something than normal, the final bill could have a long repair time. I justify it by explaining on the work order why it took so long. Rusted bolts that needed to be cut, drilled out and retapped etc, removal of other items to access the part that needs repair etc. The boss can then decide if all the time should be charged to the customer or if he'll give the customer a deal. If I make good time on one item of the job, excess time can be moved to it from a different item to balance things out. Most of the time I have multiple jobs to do on a single vehicle so that can work.

I guess the biggest things to question would be the $300 for the shift kit and the $1500 to just rebuild a disassembled tranny.

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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 06:23 PM
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From: North Battleford, Saskatchewan, Canada
Car: 91 GTA & 92 GTA & 92 GTA
Engine: 305 TPI & 350 TPI & 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42 & 3.23 & 3.23
I got some tranny work done to my GTA this summer and this is what I paid to get the work done:

Sonnax .500" Boost Valve - $28.95 (part #: 77917-500)
TransGo Shift Kit - $94.50 (part #: SK700)
Corvette Servo - $65
Shop Supplies $5
Labor - $192
GST - $26.99
PST - $26.99
Total - $439.43 Cdn

I supplied my own tranny fluid and I had them put in a new filter and shifter seal. I probably could have gotten the parts cheaper through a local speed shop but I didn't know the part #'s/brands to buy for the Boost Valve and Servo.

Sorry to say this but you got gouged big time on the shift kit and boost valve. Did you get the shop to install a Corvette Servo? The Corvette Servo firms up the 1-2 shift.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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OK. Talked to tranny shop.

They claim they installed a "Sonnax TH700 R4 Shift Kit"

The only thing it included was the valves and tougher springs. No drilling.. No bands, no other stuff..
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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You got ripped BIG time! I had my original 700R4 rebuild a couple of yeares ago and it cost me 1200$ CANADIAN... They didn't put in a shift kit but the whole trans was redone anyway. Even with a shift kit it wouldn't have cost me more than 1500$ CND.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
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I'd contact your local Better Business Bureau and have them check out the tranny shop. Sounds like they really ripped you off.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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lesson learned.. Can't go to the BBB as the problem isn't fixable. They have 4 complaints in the last 36 months. ONLY was resolved. 2 unresolved, 1 unresponded to..



"Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to failure to respond to one or more complaints and or two or more otherwise unresolved complaints.

When considering complaint information, please take into account the company's size and volume of transactions, and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm's responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints.

The Bureau processed a total of 4 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total of 4 complaints closed in 36 months, 0 was closed in the last year.

These complaints concerned:

1 Product Issues
1 Billing or Collection Issues
2 Service or Repair Issues

They were closed as:

1 Resolved
2 Unresolved
1 No Response
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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QUESTION: is this true or are they lie'ing RIGHT TO MY FACE?

Ever since I got the car back, the shifter indicator at times will going 1/8th PAST the OD reading. Then I need to tap the shifter to put it completely into OD.

They said this is your Shifter cable and that it is UNFIXABLE. You must replace the cable as it is UNADUSTABLE. It's not too expensive for the cable but at least 3 hours for labor and is NOT cheap.

Correct me if I am wrong however I have ALWAYS been told you could adjust the ATV (is this the shifter cable?) so WHY are they telling me it's UNAJUSTABLE and I have to buy a new one!!

My guess at least a $500 if not more.. job if they charge like $85/hour cdn. plus the cable and tax..
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 11:03 AM
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The cable itself isn't adjustable, but the mounting point on the transmission is.
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