My T5's first gear has a tooth either missing or teeth bent. I can get a non-World Class T5 at the shop for $450 with exchange of my World Class. Is the non World Class better? He told me they were, he said that I can get on it more than with the WC. He also said the WC has paper linings on the gears, and when those are worn, you're screwed. Can someone please shed some light on this for me? Which is better, the WC or non WC, and why?
Next item of business, is my clutch. Those of you with T5's how stiff is your pedal? Mine is real stiff, it's been that way since I bought it. And the clutch grabs at the bottom of the pedal, (About and inch to two inches off the floor) Is anyone else's like that? What causes this? The master and slave cylinders are both about a year old, and the clutch is just over two years old. What do you think?

 

I don't know about the stiff clutch pedal, i'll think on it a little.

The whole idea of the world class trans was to be an improvement on the origional T5. You can buy a WC T5 with choice of top gear (there's two choices, I forget the ratio) from a guy in Bloomfield hills, Michigan. I forget the name but i found an ad for it in a Muscle m*st*ngs, and fast f*rds magazine. (don't bother ribbing me on that one, I like lots of cars ) This was all about 4 years ago but they're still probably around. at the time it cost $1165 plus shipping.
You should be able to get a good used T5 for The $450 without trading yours.

Unless this is a friend of yours, here's the scamm. The T5 parts are VALUABLE to him to fix another tranny, so he's trying to scam you out of yours. it doesn't sound like a good deal to me.
About the "paper linings." Someone help me out here but I think the WC trannies had carbon fiber syncros or something. That's probably what he's talking about.

Hope this might help some. Others can probably tell you more than i can though
later
Clem


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The world is full of stupid people...and I am no exception.

'83 Z28 5 speed (regrettably with T-tops)
'83 Z28 No T-tops (regrettably automatic)

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I don't know about the stiff clutch pedal, i'll think on it a little.

The whole idea of the world class trans was to be an improvement on the origional T5. You can buy a WC T5 with choice of top gear (there's two choices, I forget the ratio) from a guy in Bloomfield hills, Michigan. I forget the name but i found an ad for it in a Muscle m*st*ngs, and fast f*rds magazine. (don't bother ribbing me on that one, I like lots of cars ) This was all about 4 years ago but they're still probably around. at the time it cost $1165 plus shipping.
You should be able to get a good used T5 for The $450 without trading yours.

Unless this is a friend of yours, here's the scamm. The T5 parts are VALUABLE to him to fix another tranny, so he's trying to scam you out of yours. it doesn't sound like a good deal to me.
About the "paper linings." Someone help me out here but I think the WC trannies had carbon fiber syncros or something. That's probably what he's talking about.

Hope this might help some. Others can probably tell you more than i can though
later
Clem


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The world is full of stupid people...and I am no exception.

'83 Z28 5 speed (regrettably with T-tops)
'83 Z28 No T-tops (regrettably automatic)

 

sorry, I posted it twice, idunno?

 

Thanks for the input! I agree with you I've read my fair share of those same two publications also. I agree, I too love all cars, Mustangs or not. Well, I hate the Ford Truks, but that's beside the point. So you're saying that the WC is a better trans and he's trying to bend me over to F**K me?

 

Yep with a sand paper condom. Wc's have a higher torque rating.

Zac Spalding

 

OUCH!

 

That guy is full of sh*t. Like they said, he just wants the parts especially because he told you it can't be fixed. Non-WCs are usually called trash because they broke behind stock L69s.

As for the clutch, if it's stock then it's probably worn and since it grabs an inch off the floor it's going to be stiff. Mine is stiff but I no longer have a stock clutch so my springs are stiffer.

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1984 WS6 Trans Am Hartop
Former L69 Car under restoration
1984 WS6 Trans Am T-top car
4-bolt main 350, headers, Holley 650, T-5 and 3.23's.
Daily driver and restoration

 

Yes, the WC-T5 does have carbon fiber syncros where as the T5s have brass syncros.

Another thing to think about is rebuilding the T5. I am pretty sure you can get a rebuild kit from www.5speed.com for about $125.

HTH

 

I don't know what 5speed.com is, but it's not a transmission website. thanks for your help though.

 

I paid about $200 for a rebuld kit for my nonWC trans. I can dig up the name/address of the place if youre interested. The kit included bearings, seals and synchros.
I suggest getting a junkyard tranny (usually about $200 around here) and swapping it in, then rebuild your WC yourself.

 

Sorry about that, got the wrong address...try:
www.5speeds.com

 

I went to another place today, the ***got kid behind the counter told me the only transmission work they do is exchange. Meaning again, taking my WC core, and I don't know what he would give me. Then the ***got tried telling me that the T5's hold they're value and that it would be almost $2K for a replacement! What a ****er!

 

Get a WC tranny and not a non-WC! By the way if i'm not mistaking (been 4 years since I rebuilt my WC) but to get the 1st gear synchronizer you have to buy the output shaft because it comes with the 1st gear and the synchronizers on it. The gear is pressed on to the shaft and no this is not included with the re-build kit. I had to replace the input and output shaft on my tranny. 1st gear is the one that the synchronizers were wore out the most on in my case. This will run up the bill another $100 or more depending on whether the input and output shaft needs to be replaced. A guy in my town who rebuilds them all the time advised replacing both if you have to replace one of the two.

By the way mine has had all 80-90k miles put n it since the rebuild behind my 300hp 350 and has seen a lot of hard shifting from 1-2.It's still holding up good.

Your clutch could be from several things. You say you bought the car...did they ever have the clutch replaced to your knowledge? The flywheel could be out of tolerance and the clutch could be wore down. Is it chattering any when your take off in 1st gear...especially when it's hot? If so it's probably your flywheel. It could be the clutch master cylinder having air in it or really low on fluid. The fork could be bent to. The pressure plate is usally the cause of the pedal being hard to push down and if so it sounds like someone had the clutch replaced and the pressure plate was rebuilt with much stronger springs...or they bought an aftermarket pressure plate.

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1988 TA 300+hp 350 w/ TBI and Holley TB unit, Holley projection intake,
WC T-5, 3.42 gears w/ Auburn posi. MSD 6A, edelbrock TES headers, dynomax 3" cat and cat-back system, ACCEL coil, polyurethane bushings all around, aluminum driveshaft, Mr. Gasket open air cleaner.

1993 S-10 w/ 4.3L V6 TBI, slightly bigger cam, Mild polish job and 3 angle valve job on heads, Edlebrock TES headers, Dynomax cat back, MSD 6A, ADS chip

2000 Kawasaki KX 125

 

I bought the car three years ago coming in May. Two years ago November, I had the tranny rebuilt at AAMCO and got ripped off! Dad and I put a new clutch, master and slave cylinder in when we put the transmission back in after the rebuild. So everything shouldn't have that much wear. What exactly does the pressure plate do? When I take off it does make the whirring noise, it doesn't matter whether it's hot or cold. It's only in first gear. Someone else suggested the pressure plate to me also. What does it do?
Today, in the battle of the prices of rebuilds, I found a place specializing in Borg Warner T5's. The title of their ad had it in bold print, Camaro and 5.0 Mustangs blah blah balh. I called them, they'll rebuild the tranny for $550, with me carrying it in, like I had planned on doing. Is that a good deal?

 

do they offer a warranty for the rebuild? Also, for that price they had better replace the input and output shaft along with the normal replacement parts (synchronizers, bearings, ect.). If they don't do it yourself. There isn't much to rebuilding a T5 and you could do it with the service manual because it is step by step and not much to worry about. The only pain we had was getting the needle/roller bearings to stay inside the input shaft....had to coat it with grease and stick the bearings inside the section the output shaft goes into (you will see what I mean when you take it apart). Call around and find out how much the output and input shaft will be plus the nomal rebuild kit andsee how close it comes to $550. Remember $100-150 of that is labor...if not more. E-mail me and remind me to find that book for you so you can order that service manual. I keep forgetting.