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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:34 PM
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Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Where can i buy one of these????
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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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moser
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spohn performance, exotic performance, summit racing, jegs, ect.
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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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Thanks for the quick reply, i found a currie on jegs for less than i expected haha.
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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Is it complete or just a housing and axle package? What about the Moser or Strange 12 bolt? The 9 inch is usually just added weight with no other real advantage.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 08:11 AM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

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Is it complete or just a housing and axle package? What about the Moser or Strange 12 bolt? The 9 inch is usually just added weight with no other real advantage.
HAHAHAHAHA
Does the 12-bolt have a 4-spider? NO? Then it's CRAP also.

Spend the extra $150 for a 9"
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

I'm assuming that you are talking about the Ford Traction Lock. Yea, it has 4 pinion gears, but the side cover (where the clutches are) is very weak and can be broke by a Ford small block. I've got a pile of them that are either broke or cracked.

I'm not saying that the 9 inch is no good, I have one in my Camaro. I'm just saying that most of the time the 12 bolt is better because you don't need the extra strength of the 9 inch. The added weight and extra power that is required to turn it makes it a bad choice over the 12 bolt. I have a 427 and a 4 speed in my car. The 12 bolt would have been fine in my car, but I built my 9 inch with parts that I had lying around. The only thing new in it is the bearings. I also used a Detroit Locker instead of the Traction Lock.

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data...l_DSC01029.JPG

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

On mosers site i was looking at the housing and axle kits, would i need the one with or without the torque arm braket???

Also i dont know which one would be better? Should i go with the 9 inch or 12 bolt?
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

The 12 bolt will handle more than the very best 700R4 can handle. There are several options on the 12 bolt that make it stronger than any of the original Chevy rear ends ever were. You can get 33 spline axles and 9 inch Ford axle bearings to eliminate the c clips. You can also get the Detroit Locker, which is stronger than the Eaton posi. If you want to road race or auto cross then you can get the Truetrac. The housings are cast thicker and the axle tubes are stronger than the original 12 bolt.

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

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I found a currie ... for less than i expected.
Don't hear that very often about aftermarket rear ends!
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

probably because its just the housing and axle package and not the center section.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

The housing and axle package is around $1000. You need to provide a center section. Get the package with 31 spline axles then go pull a center section out of something like an old Bronco or a F150 4x4 that has 31 spline axles and pop it into the Moser housing. Swap over your brakes and it's ready to install.

You need the diff with the torque arm bracket to be a direct bolt in. That's the main reason why you can't just go find a junkyard diff that's the same with and swap it in.

There isn't a huge power difference between a 9" and a 12 bolt. The 12 bolt uses up a little less HP but very few people will notice the difference. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. What works best is your own personal choice.

I'm just looking for another set of gears and I have a new center section ready to install. Moser bolt through aluminum case. Aluminum pinion support for the larger Daytona bearing. Aluminum spool. Without the gears, it weighs 25-30 pounds The complete steel one that's currently in my diff must be at least 75 pounds.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Originally Posted by Air_Adam
Don't hear that very often about aftermarket rear ends!

haha, well i could just sell one of my dirt bikes i dont ride and buy one, it will be easier than i thought.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Just from experience with friends' cars (3rd and 4thgen cars), I actually prefer the 12-bolt setups to the 9" setups. Theres nothing wrong with the 9", but its just such a tight fit in a 3rdgen or 4thgen chassis. The 12-bolt is physically smaller externally, so its just seems to fit easier into the car, and has more clearance all around than the big bulky 9" housing.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Here's mine.
Plenty of clearance. LS1 brakes, powder coated. Direct bolt in from moser.
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

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Here's mine.
Plenty of clearance. LS1 brakes, powder coated. Direct bolt in from moser.
Can i get a picture of your exhaust set up? Im doing dumps this winter and would like to know how i should set it up....
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

It's pretty much what you see.
Longtubes, duals and dumps
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

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It's pretty much what you see.
Longtubes, duals and dumps

Do you have a X pipe? And thanks for the help...
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

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Here's mine.
Plenty of clearance. LS1 brakes, powder coated. Direct bolt in from moser.
Looks good, nice work!

I didn't say there was NO room though, just that theres noticeably MORE clearance everywhere with the 12-bolt. Especially true with the 4thgens, but its quite noticeable with the 3rdgens too.
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Originally Posted by Aaron91RS
Here's mine.
Plenty of clearance. LS1 brakes, powder coated. Direct bolt in from moser.
Sorry if I hijacked this thread......but what kind of panhard bar are u running ? looks like it has both the upper and lower bars and is adjustable. Also the brackets (big black ones not the gold ones with red bushing) to attach the sway bars to the axle tubes did they come with the 9" . what is it called and any help on where I can get it would be great.!! I did try my local Orilly;s with no luck

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Originally Posted by 88bird?
Do you have a X pipe? And thanks for the help...
no X pipe
True duals.

Sorry if I hijacked this thread......but what kind of panhard bar are u running ? looks like it has both the upper and lower bars and is adjustable. Also the brackets (big black ones not the gold ones with red bushing) to attach the sway bars to the axle tubes did they come with the 9" . what is it called and any help on where I can get it would be great.!! I did try my local Orilly;s with no luck
It's 100% aftermarket tubular panhard bar and trac bar. It relocates the panhard bar lower so when the suspension goes up and down the axle doesn't go right to left near as much as the stock setup.
Moser says you can just use muffler clamps for the sway bar. However again mine's all aftermarket. I think you can order it with those brakects from moser if you want.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:40 PM
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Re: Ford 9" direct bolt in???

Make and model of the panhard and trac bar ?
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