Mistake! tranny shop put a cab's 700R4 in my friends camaro

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Mar 6, 2001 | 09:22 AM
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MY friend also has a 92' camaro w/ the 3.1 and the 700R4 automatic tranny. While he was driving it(burning rubber)the tranny just gave up and wouldnt go into third gear. We went into this tranny shop to get his rebuild and the guy said that my friend would be better off with one of the guys already rebuild 700R4 tranny than to fix my friends original tranny. So he did, little did we know the shop was surrounded by yellow caprice cabs. Since he installed the already rebuild tranny and broke it in the car wont go faster than 95. He use to catch up with me at 110 or more. I believe he has a cabs 700R4 in his camaro. Is he in trouble with that tranny, he paid $400.00 for the tranny (shifts fine)w/free installation. why is his speed limit 95 is there something he can do to that tranny to keep it the way it was before, when it was doing 110 easy.

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Mar 6, 2001 | 09:32 AM
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there is probaly a governor in the tranny . Is the car not able to rev at high rpm in forth? I would bet that changing the governor would help him
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Mar 6, 2001 | 12:37 PM
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Fleet-ordered Caprices (police cars and taxis) use a different governor. You can keep the governor you have and change the springs, or you can swap it for a normal one. My 4L60 is out of a 93 Caprice police car and before changing the springs it upshifted at 6200 RPM.
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Mar 6, 2001 | 01:02 PM
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U know what i forgot to tell u an important fact. When he drives it normal(cruising) it shifts beautifully. But lets say if hes in the light and he floors it first gear runs good then it has a hard time catching 2nd gear(u have to let go of the gas for the tranny to catch 2nd gear than give it gas to go on. Its very wierd. How much would it cost something like that to change the govern thingamajig or the spring. any guesses.
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Mar 6, 2001 | 03:42 PM
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ummm, is anybody else confused here. Please help me name a RWD 3.1 (or any 60' v6) powered vehicle besides the f-body and s-series pick-up.
I don't think your friend has a taxi tranny. Further, the transmission cannot limit top speed.
These guys are on to what seems most important...his shift points seem off. Easy enough to check by looking at the tach. If it is shifting way too high, you need to play with the governor (which is not a speedd governor, it's a shift governor.)
...ed
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Mar 6, 2001 | 06:15 PM
  #6  
Good point, I saw the Caprice part, not the 3.1L part. Sounds even more like a governor problem though when you say he has to let off the gas to upshift.
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Mar 7, 2001 | 06:19 PM
  #7  
Great now he knows the prob but how much is he gonna be expected to pay to check,fix,or repair the governor.
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Mar 7, 2001 | 09:37 PM
  #8  
If it is the fleet-duty governor, any tranny shop would probably trade you straight across for the normal one, from what I'm told it's a fairly desirable item.
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Mar 8, 2001 | 04:44 PM
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Now we all know the governor in the tranny has NOTHING to do with how fast the can go. The governor does nothing but control line pressure and especially at what RPM the tranny shifts at from first to second.
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Mar 9, 2001 | 01:12 PM
  #10  
Good catch, Ed, on the 3.1 part!

I think this "already rebuilt" transmission is crap for another reason- that's because your friend has to lift off the gas for it to shift into second. Bring the trans back.

As to the top speed question, don't forget, the f-bodies were limited for top speed! This is done via the electronic speedometer, which is "driven" (controlled?) by the electronic VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) in the transmissions' tailshaft.

If the gear inside the VSS isn't calibrated for your friend's correct rear gear ratio, then two things can happen: Your friend's speedometer will read slower than he's actually going, or it'll read faster. If it reads faster than actual speed, the computer will say "Hey! You can't go that fast!" and shut the injectors off. (Or, is it kill the spark? I forget.)

If the shop just swapped trannies without keeping your friend's VSS gear, this would happen. Say your friend has a 3.23 rear gear in the axle. Say the car the trans came from had a 3.73 rear gear (hm, Blazer, maybe?). I believe the "error" is now 3.73 divided by 3.42 - which is 1.15 %.

Hey! 95 times 1.15 = 109.25 !

Your friend used to do 110, now he does 95?

Could this be the problem? [edit] As in, your friend hits 95, but because of the wrong speedo gear, the computer "sees" 110, and shuts him down.

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[This message has been edited by TomP (edited March 09, 2001).]
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