I found almunium heads for our cars well the 3.1 i dono about the 2.8. I was messing woith the autozone computer yesturday and looked up heads for my car and it had a choice of cast iron or almunium the almunium are about 180 bucks a pice. And if your doin that midas well get a almunium radiator for 130 bucks. You can go to there site and look up the prices and all that stuff www.autozone.com

 

David
How did the hood episode workout?
Mission accomplished?

 

HAHA Nope still waiting i called him last modnay he said hed call me saturday i gave him til 5 then i called and left a message then i called 3 times today left a message and havent herd abck from him. The only thing i need is the hood and i can have the car painted ad the body work done. Im starting to get agitated but im keeping my cool th ebest i can.

 

Are they direct fit heads, or are they the same part # for a 3.1 Beretta of the same year? If they're Beretta (or any similar FWD "Generation II" 60-degree V6 block), you'll need the correct pistons to avoid the splayed valves (of the Gen II heads) smacking the flat top Gen I pistons.

 

hey tom, what is a splayed valve, seriously?

 

splayed valves are ones that are angled off to each other rather than being directly side by side

 

yep...and because of that splayed valve setup, if you don't have recessed dished pistons (to dishes perside for each valve) you'll smack your piston dead into a valve. Would be no fun.

 

your gonna need to do alot of work if your gonna put FWD heads on a RWD 60* V6


IMHO, its just not worth it

 

the car hasn't stated if they were for the RWD pl;atform or not yet. He said they were for our car with the 3.1, which i would assume would fit the 2.8L too. I could be wrong, cuase i don't know much about the heads.

 

Yep; the combustion chamber on the Gen II heads is also heart shaped. The Gen II heads make for a more efficient explosion than the Gen I heads. I'll see if I can get a picture up for tomorrow of both combustion chambers.

 

look @ the valve setup for bbc heads, they're splayed too.

Karl says " Get the GMPP catalog, good pic of the Gen II splayed heads" :nono:

 

i seem to be left out agian, what the GMPP?

my guess is General Moters Perfomance Parts, but i could be wrong?

 

I just checked there site i compared the cast iron and almunium head part numbers on both cars both were the same is it a error in there computer? I looke dup for a 91 bretta 3.1 and compared it with my camaro 3.1 both were the exact same part numbers.

 

quess tom's prediction was right

 

I too work @ AZ, they may have the same p/n, but look at the casting # underneath the part number, they will be different.

I noticed this when pricing 2.8 & 3.4 heads

and yes, Gen Motors Perf Parts Cat.

1991tealRSt-topGuy, you are excluding the TT/A right

 

He said 60 degree...TTA's are 90 degree

 

my bad, had a RIF impairment just then

 

tom, you beat me to it

 

thats billy not tom

 

David,
I assumed, since I had not heard back from you nor him, that this issue was settled.
This is BS & I'll call again.
Wish you told me this way earlier, I would have gone to Pomona & visited him for ya!
Didn't you go to Pomona Swap meet?
He has a BIG booth there....
I'll call when I get off line.
Thoise are teh FWD drive heads, poor parts listing information on AZ part.
But, that's a surprise??????
I will call for ya.
This has to be solved in your favor.
Why didn't you contact me earlier, I was right out next door to Pomona last weekend getting radiators fixed & such!
Would have been a 2-3 minute drive out there for ya!

Thank you for recommending the GM Performance Parts Catalog to everyone. IT costs $6
ANY GM DEALER
AND you can see why some 60 parts will/will not work and what is (specs wise) worth your effort and not.
And see the specs on the 3.4 engines that you seek for major upgrade performance!

 

sorry

i went to another mechanic's house from work to work on his 1970 Duster and knocked back a beer or two (actually a few too many )

 

So good to hear you are ready to enjoy
LAKERS VICTORY TONIGHT!

 

oh jeez

this one dude at work is sooooooooooo into the Nets its not even funny

he's gonna be pissed when they lose

 

Well when i talked to him last week he said hed call saturday so i said ok because his daughter was graduating on friday. saturday came by no calls i called left a message called monday left a message yesturday he finaly called me back sayin hed call me in a couple days. So i was gonna give him til friday before i called again. Me and my friends never made it to the swapmeet we went to gorman. I NEED A DIRTBIKE NOW lol. On the bright side with the hood deal its givien me a chance to save up more then enough money to fix the car. the longer i wait the more i save lol

 

David,
I called left message.
I'll call tomorrow, also.
Should gone to Pomona....
Could have had the hood resolved when you saw him at Pomona....
Please pass me your home number.
Dirt bikes are fun....

 

My question is what would be the gains w/ aluminum heads - besides loosing a little weight ? My experience w/ alum. heads is that they are easier to warp/ blow headgaskets - they usualy need special bolts etc. My little mill ain't mighty but shes rugged, I'd want'a see some good numbers before I'd swap.

 

i have aluminum heads on the car now they came with the car i was real suprised. i thought it had cast iron on it but there not. i took a screw driver and put a scratch on the side to see if they were cast iron or aluminun and they are aluminum. i got some heads off of ebay that are aluminum that came off a 1990 camaro atleast thats what the guy told me.thats why i checked mine. that has been ported polished and a three angle valve job. i should get them today. i also have some comp cam rockers that im putting on too but i have to get vavle springs and all that good stuff before i put them on the car

 

What design are the valves in the head?
Have you put a magnet to those heads?
Not to be cynical or .....
you may have the only pair on earth that are aluminum and on a rear wheel drive 60* engine.
I'd enjoy hearing more details.
What are the part number of these heads?
With all the books I got from Chevy & GM & all those old Hot Rod articles (with articles about each year 60* V-6 stuff & the Indy Program for the 60* V-6), never mentioned alumn. heads for the Rear Wheel Drive 60* application.
And I have a pair of the FWD aluminum heads to hold and a bare short block 2.8 to play with.

 

Lol like i said a while back i coulda sworn my 3.1 had almunium heads im gonna put a magnet to mine tongiht and see

 

hey KED85
what is the casting number on the heads

 

NOT HAVING THE HEADS IN HAND (they are at the machinist in Torrance, CA - need an engine machined/rebuilt? Ask me), I am using as my reference the GM Performance Parts Book (1998 catalog to my left in a draw)
Group 0.269 Cylinder Heads
10048649 Aluminum Cylinder Heads
Production "Generation2" V6/60* TRANSVERSE-MOUNTED ENGINES have aluminum cylinder heads with splayed intake and exhaust valves. This canted valve design enhances cylinder breathing by unshrouding the valves at maximum lift. The high velocity intake runners and heart-shaped combustion chambers promote swirl in the cylnders for efficent cumbustion. Spark plugs are centrally located in the chambers.
See the easy answers you get when you invest the measly $6 at any GM dealer, by buying this publication?

That's why I keep recommending it to everyone. ALOT of answers & pics supplied for what ya need to shoot for.
Let the GM engineers design your hot rodded 60* V-6 for you.
Use their budget & knowledge.
Recently Jon Moss debuted a 60* Turbo Charged application, FWD platform.
It's probably a take off from the old Turbo installions in the ASC modified GP's of early 90's.
HP on that Turbo, 205, I recall.

Please tell me you DO KNOW who Jon Moss is!
You guys should worship his feet:hail: :hail: :hail:
Chief Engineer of Design of the Powertrain Experimental Platform Team at Chevrolet/General Motors.

 

hey KED85

mine are 651 i looked them up and it said they are fwd heads but the guy told me he took them off a 1990 camaro which dosent make any since to me i guess i got screwd on that one unless there is a way to make them work if not i guess i will sell them

 

hey RedRs92, if they are FWD heads, and the dude lied, you can tell he ebay. IF he sends you something different than what he advertised, ebay will make him pay you back. Or at least thats what their webpage says.

 

DEFINETLY TELL EBAY YOU GOT SCREWED!!
They are in San Jose, CA (HQ)
Send ebay a email about this guy & his "advertising"
They will royally screw him.
I am a rather large seller on ebay.
THEY MAKE YOU PLAY BY THE RULES
NO FALSE ADVERTISING OR MISREPRESENTING A PRODUCT
You contact them right away.
Please do this to get your money back, ALONG WITH SHIPPING COSTS.
DO THIS RIGHT AWAY, 24 hour contacts.
Include the ebay auction number, too.
AND YOU DID SAVE THE EMAILS HE SENT YOU ABOUT THE "FROM A CAMARO"
RIGHT?