I couldn't leave well enough alone...so yeah, I instituted my headlight ram idea but differently than I planned. Took a bit of work, a LOT of twist ties, but it works. I need to get some metal cut and get some 4 inch and 6 in. clamps to finish the job. (To seal the exposed edge of the filter which is still taking in hot engine bay air...and to cover the duct tape so it looks MUCH better. I'm eliminating the twist ties to, I just need to buy a metal strip as a support bracket. I test drove it..it's not much faster than before but it breathes much better..engine sounds good and healthy.

 

This is the old setup..if you can make all of it out. You can see how restrictive it was with all the bends.

 

I thought you were ganna type in the lyrics to the first Britney Spears song . That chick has a bigass house about an hour from me .

 

Ha ha...cool man. Let's go stalk her..... And the day I know Britney Spears song lyrics is the day I want you to shoot me.

 

Finally SOMEBODY that did a TRUE cold air intake. Now you just need to insolate it.

 

Id be scared of sucking in water in a hard rain . The first hard rain I drove my car in with my air boxes hacked off at the bottem , I checked my filters to see how they took the rain . They did get a little wet , but not much . Id just be scared with that thing .....But its nice if you live in an areau where you dont get hard rain often .

 

What's that supposed to mean?

 

<I>I played w/ ur heart...</I> LMAO ok... sorry... hey Wayne you ever see her around??? I think she's one of the FIONEST (read, teenager slang lol) white girls I have ever seen...

 

Kj Rockz it means what it says, for once it's a true cold air intake where it's taking in air from the OUTSIDE, it not one of those K&N bolt ons that just sucks in air from UNDER the hood.

I won't worry about water to much as long as you don't plan on going over 55 when it rains you should be ok.

 

Glad to see you did it! That looks really good. I couldn't help but notice the bulge in the middle of the ducting, did you go with an inline conical filter?

 

That's really cool, Nixon1! You should do a tech article! The v8 tpi guys use the same intake design! Got a parts list at all? makes me wish I had headlight holes.. oh well.

 

Where did you get all the material for ducting? And what size filter did you use?

 

No , never seen her in real life . I've never seen her house . BUT I KNOW this because , a co-worker of my dad's is friends with her mom ....Yeah , she is fi-yan (fine)

 

Wow...thanks for all the praise guys, didn't expect it! I planned everything down that I did, so I have a complete parts list and a rough price estimate for everything to do it. If I can find my way to the tech section and see how to write an article, I'll make it one Tom! All the material came from either Home Depot or Lowe's. All the metal duct and clamps came from Lowe's...the short and sparingly used lengths of aluminum flexing/expanding semi-rigid dryer ducting came from H.D. The filter is a crappy Autozone ***** conical.. ($25) I'm getting a K&N sooner or later, but I think this'll do just fine. Joe, yes it's a conical. It's in-line with the system, with the cone facing into the airflow. I'll check this tech article thing out now.. If you do this job buying EXACTLY what you need and only what you need, you should expect to spend..hmm...around $50. Half for the conical, and half for the ductwork.

My plans for tomorrow: Buy a small length of 6 in. diameter tube and rig it up so I can isolate the conical when I go to race, but unhook it when it's going to rain. I'm also buying a 2 1/2 in. to 3-3 1/2 in. scoop to fill the headlight gap. When it goes to rain, I'll uncover the conical and put a cap over the headlight intake so it'll only intake from the engine bay.

 

Good luck man. It'll be interesting to see if you can actually build some decent boost from that type of setup.

 

Yeah. I figure I'll get the outer scoop as big as I can, and seal the conical as completely as possible. So it'll cram a buttload of air in at higher velocities, and MAYBE it being forced into the 2 1/2 in. pipe will build boost...I can only hope... It's too bad they don't make some sort of intake air cooler.. I was thinking maybe those ice packs you put in your lunchbox when you were little...

 

I always wondered why you couldn't run a small tube, like a 1/4", that would have some sort of refrigerant in it. And that way it would cool the air as it passed over it. Sort of like a radiator only in reverse. Of course, it'd probably about as useless as the Eram, or the tornado. Why does all the stuff that seems like it'd be real cool have to actually be crap?

 

Lol, well let me take a stab at these ideas. First, the tornado is good in principal, but there's too many other things internally in the engine that disrupt the nice little vortex it's created. Not to mention the tornado in specific RESTRICTS airflow to develop its vortex! The eRam..well, it simply doesn't provide enough boost to be effective. Also, it only engages at WOT because it draws MASSIVE electrical power to produce its wimpy 1.5 psi of boost. I've also thought about your coolant tube idea, but look at it this way. The air's only going to be in contact with that little tube for a matter of seconds before it reaches the throttle body. Even with a tube of even extremely-cold gas/fluid that ran the entire length of the intake, I doubt it'd cool the air sufficiently. Plus I'm imagining a tube with a 1/4 in. or 1/2 in. diameter, and we're looking at a minimum of a 2 1/2 in. intake. There just wouldn't be enough cold to go around. Now if we could run ducting from all your a/c vents back to the intake, and crank the a/c up to max, now we're talking! Of course, the compressor draws a LOT of horsepower. There's always a catch isn't there?!

 

I've got it! WHY DON'T WE JUST MOVE TO ALASKA??

 

I always wanted to see them do winston cup racing or F1 or something up there. You'd probably set all sorts of records.

 

You guys ever hear of Peltier devices? You give the little suckers 12 volts, and one side of the semiconductor heats up; the other side freezes. That's how those little electric soda-can-coolers-for-cars work. You put a big friggin' heat sink on the "hot side", and then press the cold side against the unit you want to cool. (By press I mean with a screw or a bracket, not just pressing it there and hoping it stays) You'd use the heat sink grease on both sides, too. Only bummer is that they're usually "high amperage", but high amperage to an electronics builder is much differant than high amperage to a car. (Suck 1 amp out of a 12 volt battery in a robot and you've got trouble, suck an amp out of a car battery and the car will recharge itself, and probably never notice the extra amp.)

So you could cool the tubing, or try to cool the throttle body, or similar. For an example of one, visit http://www.allelectronics.com and put in "TEC-1" into the search.

Woah, here's something funky, looks like what I was talking about (cooling a soda can), complete with a cig lighter cord! Ha! http://www.electronickits.com/kit/co...tier/ck500.htm

And here's a site, looks like a $100 min, but they give an information page on what the Peltier devices do: http://www.tetech.com/ Here's another one: http://www.eisystems.be/astronomy/pe...device_uk.html If you go to http://www.yahoo.com and put in "Peltier device", you'll find a crapload more of links..

 

This is from one of the sites that Tom listed, I wonder if you could line the bottom of the intake with 'em. That way as the air passed it'd cool off. I think they're like $15 a piece tho. So I'd porbably be $60-70 to do the whole thing.

 

.......you have an answer for everything don't you Tom?? I'll have to look up on that sometime.. For right now, I'm sick of this intake meddling! I tried to get a sealing piece for my conical but the duct the conical fits into is 6 in...while the conical edge is like 6 1/32 or something ridiculous so it doesn't want to fit right..so I have to try to mess with this system some more..and I could barely get it back together because of the damn dryer ducting. I hate that stuff..it's too flimsy. It ripped in three places when I bent it out of the way..so it's covered in duct tape right now and keeps slipping off the conical.

 

Whered you locate your 02 sensor at?

 

Good job, that is the same setup I have on my wagon. I covered the hole with some screen and painted it black.



TomP I had the same idea but was thinking of using it on the oil filter on my bike. but on the car it would work well also. This is the link to the cheapest one I could find at the time.

http://www.3dcool.com/?module=produc...ment&mode=list


also TomP I had the idea of getting a new nose cone like the one for the kit car. which moves the headlights down low like a lemans car. and remove the stock headlight covers and replace them with some type of screen and use them like two big ram air scoops.

 

and that hi-temp dryer duct is east to ripe or tear if your not careful. Im usingit for my whole ram air setup, made a big U shape and glued it to my hood. I sprayed it with what do ya call it, um under coating stuff in a can. black plastic like when it dries.

 

HI! im new here, i live in Quebec Canada, i have a question for you, where is your MAF in this cold air intake ?? do you remove it ?

 

Chevy4ever, welcome to the board! Nixon1 escaped the MAF sensor because he's got a 3.1... MAF's were only on 85-89 2.8's. The 85-89 v6's used the mass-air system of measuring air flow (measures air directly), 90-92 v6's used speed density (looking up air flow from tables inside the computer chip based on the data from certain sensors). For your 85-89 2.8, consider the ram air mentioned in the thirdgen.org tech section (off of the main thirdgen.org page)!

 

thanks, i already do my own "ram air" and its very good, but my MAF broke all the time, i cant remove it, i dont want to burn my computer and have a big gaz consomation !

 

how did you break your MAF all the time??? It not the ram air doing it. did you make sure and dis connec the batt. when you unpluged the MAF???

 

yes, the 4 time, the 3 first time, i have released the screen on the MAF but not at the last and it broke ! , the car have a bad idle, and when i disconnect the MAf , it run very good !

 

If your running a v6 there isno need or improvment removing the MAF screen. Just makes it easier to break.

 

JW: By O2 sensor, I take it you mean my MAT sensor? The O2 sensor is in the exhaust piping...the Y pipe I believe. (Never did know what all those damn pipe pieces were called) The MAT...well, I left it laying in the empty space, duct taped so it doesnt fall back near the radiator and pick up much hotter readings. It's not reading the proper air temp, I was just too lazy to drill the pipe out, splice the wire, etc. I don't run any different and I don't throw a code..so, why bother?

 

chevy4ever, were they sensors from a junkyard? Or did you buy them? You can do visual inspections on the MAF sensor, and I have a code 34 chart that might help you. Click here: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sea...der=descending

 

Hey, Nixon1...
How about showing your machanics some here!

 

Ha...yeah guys, that loser with the Rustang is Howard.. He helped me out a lot with the intake, along with another friend... HOPEFULLY he's not here to F-Body bash...or maybe worse, V-6 bash! And don't even try that "I can kick your ***!" stuff cause you know that's not a fair match!

 

well ofcorse it's not fair... your car is 700lb heaver and and is a 3.1 vs. a 4.7

 

Try an older aged drivetrain in AN AMERICAN CLASSIC CAR WITH STYLE AND GRACE.
YET
Camaros & Firebirds never had a song written about them ("Mustang Sally, by Wilson Pickett).
No, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows that these V-6's are rather slow & no real match for a V-8.
I just got beaten by GIRL driving a late 80's Z-28!
That's ok, I already had the prize (My Wife & Son!)

 

Naturally, KED... The engines are fantastic....it's the bodies. Imagine taking one of our engines and throwing it in some 2800 lb car....wouldn't be so slow then! Wish I could rebuild my car entirely of fiberglass because I love the looks...but I love the engine more. When you've got almost as much torque as cubic inches in a wee little 6 cylinder...that sure ain't bad!

 

Its called a Fiero.

As for songs, try Bitchen Camaro by the Dead Milkmen, Legendary Camaro by Shocore, or that one I forgot who sings it called Yellow Camaro.

 

By slipping in a 3.4, you atleast up your V-6 advantage of "dignity" in an American Classic.

There is a certain limit to these V-6s.

I would really have enjoyed installing a 1995 3.4 into the 1974 Vega Estate Wagon I saw at the wrecking yard. With the SFI intake and older distributor/ignition system.

 

hey Nixon1, you can rebuild your car out of fiberglass. www.up22.com You need alot of cash, It's not recommended for street use and *** help you if your ever in a car accident (oh ya, that guy with the teal crx-si crashed his car! )

 

Lol yeah camarodude, I'm very familiar with the Fiero. Buddy of mine has one..fast as holy hell. I've seen him beat V-8's. Problem is, Fiero's are legendary pieces of crap...I guess thats why I never see one for sale for more than $2000. And Howard..you serious, the dude wrecked his CRX? Jeez...that's messed up.. And the day that I spend all that money to replace my body with fiberglass is the day you're going to punch me in the face for being an idiot and not buying a 350.

 

no man, you don't need a 350, you need a Mustang GT-350!

 

Hey, if you gave it to me, I wouldn't refuse! As long as it's got power, raw american preferrably, I can't afford to be picky. But naturally, chevy is my preferred vehicle. How about a 1st gen Yenko Camaro?

 

BTW, I read about a third gen Formula Firebird with the same 350 that came in the thing..naturally aspirated non-nitrous running mid 11's. With nitrous, he ran mid 10's. How's that for a 350??

 

I'd take a Nickey 1967 RS/SS powered by a L-72 Corvette engine (427 w/3x2).
Add L-89 Aluminum heads & 3:36 rear w/Doug Nash 5 -speed (non-stock I know) & J-56 brakes, Tilt wheel, electric windows, power steering, remote control mirror.
I could live without a radio.
For a Yenko, I'd like to have had one of his Turbo Vegas, just for fun. In a Wagon.

 

was that the one in the august issue of hotrod magazine?

 

Not sure, Joe...I know it was in Hot Rod but I'm not sure about the issue. I'd have to look.. KED, stop it man, you're making me drool over here. How about this for an oddball....cram a Gen 3 LS6 into one of those ugly 80's Dodge Caravans with the fake wood paneling.. I watched a turbo minivan like that one DEMOLISH a 4th gen Camaro SS.....it was hilarious! I'm guessing it was turbo with nitrous..the thing ran...I'm wanting to say a 12...

 

How about a 454 in a 2nd gen Z28? That's the kind of engine I can only dream of.. I remember once I looked at a Buick Riviera for sale...like $3000, looked like it was in GREAT shape...but there was a lot of bondo on it that was painted over, and it had frame rust.. Still, when I popped the hood and saw that enormous 430 just sitting there...well, let's just say I had to lean on the car for a minute before I could walk again...