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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 12:48 PM
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So who wants headers?

I am gauging interest in V6 headers. You may or may not have read previous posts about this, so I will re-iterate a little...

I know a few people over at a custom header shop that are aware of the demand for headers on 60* V6's. One prototype set is currently being made out of stainless steel and will be available shortly after the new year. I will post pics and options att hat time.

Please email me or post here if you may be interested and what you would expect to pay.

THEY WILL NOT BE SMOG LEGAL OR CARB CERTIFIED until a later date if demand permits.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:18 PM
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I am interested...

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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:26 PM
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I too would like to see the design they come up with. Can't tell you a price I would expect to pay until I see the finished product.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:30 PM
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i'm with AFreaknGoodTme, i feel the same way. BUT, if they cant be used in California, then i'm out
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:33 PM
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Here's what I have so far. Notice they have EGR hookups
Attached Thumbnails So who wants headers?-headers2.jpg  

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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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dude, are those for the fbody or for the s10? if those are for the f bodies, then those suckers need to come with a y pipe because the stock manifolds pass under the engine. otherwise, those look sweet!
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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Sorry to you Cali guys.... Email me so I can get an accurate count and I will see if they'd be willing to give CARB certification a shot. Like I said in prior posts, trying to justify higher production costs to compensate for a few Cali customers may not be feesible. However if more than a handful are interested then maybe they'll go for it.

Thanks for all of the positive input so far..
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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im interested.... headers would be great with my motor. its already modified to the best it can be now ive just never been able to get headers. that would top the motor off nicely. im interesteed in a set of shorties with a 2 1/2" mandrel bent y pipe.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 05:14 PM
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dude, are those for the fbody or for the s10? if those are for the f bodies, then those suckers need to come with a y pipe because the stock manifolds pass under the engine. otherwise, those look sweet!
They are specifically for an auto 3rdgen f-body. What you are looking at are two different passenger side headers in the pic above.I just showed the passenger sides to display the EGR hookups. With full equal length headers a custom y-pipe needs to be made to fit these. I have access to a pipe bender with 2",2 1/4", and 2 1/2" dies to make one when and IF I install one of these sets on my car. I'm still holding out on trying to aquire a smog legal set.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 05:30 PM
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If you're going thru all the trouble of actually installing headers, why not do the y-pipe mandrel? I mean here you're getting better flow with the headers, then you bottle neck it in the bends of the y-pipe Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time. :lala:
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by IROC57TPI
If you're going thru all the trouble of actually installing headers, why not do the y-pipe mandrel? I mean here you're getting better flow with the headers, then you bottle neck it in the bends of the y-pipe Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time. :lala:
Are you asking me this? If you are, the pipe bender I have access to does bends as clean as the headers shown above. I do everything I touch to the best possible solutions, I never half-*** anything.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 08:26 PM
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I would definately be interested in headers, email me when there done. powellchase@hotmail.com
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 08:38 PM
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If they're gonna look like in that photo...and are gonna be designed that way..then hell....that looks like something I might look into a little down the road..I just have to work kinks out first. Like the whole not wanting to run thing...that always helps to make power when it's fixed.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 10:38 PM
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hey, i'm interested in those headers. I'm planning on modifying my exhaust sometime soon and i'd love to get my hands on some headers fro my V6. When you get more info on them can you please e-mail me at Mystify49@aol.com
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 12:07 AM
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CARB

It would be nice to see some one send a set off for CARB cert. Instead of just talking about it. Doing this would open up the market much wider. Many states have to comform to standards very similar to CARB. If it can pass in Cali it will pass any ware!

If they get CARB'ed I'm in!!
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 12:21 AM
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Re: CARB

Originally posted by BitchinRS
It would be nice to see some one send a set off for CARB cert. Instead of just talking about it. Doing this would open up the market much wider. Many states have to comform to standards very similar to CARB. If it can pass in Cali it will pass any ware!

If they get CARB'ed I'm in!!
I've been working on that for awhile. Its not as easy as it sounds to attain an E.O.# from C.A.R.B.. The test is free but the E.O.# costs $$$$.$$. I'm working on a few proposals to some header companies that already hold an E.O.# for other header products, but its a touch an go venture whether they will bite or not. I have a neighbor who knows Doug Thorley well but have found out that his company is no longer, they have been sold to Summit. We are checking into other sources.

Edit:Hey CHC, If your state decides to go to smog checks, don't come crying to me to purchase a set of my headers if this goes through, I'm not selling you a fu(king set no matter how much you beg (Had to throw that stab in)

Iroc57tpi, I'm not looking into going into any buisness making these things, I'm just trying to get smog legal headers. If your acquintances make them smog legal- I will buy a set from you.

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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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Re: Re: CARB

Originally posted by AFreaknGoodTme

Edit:Hey CHC, If your state decides to go to smog checks, don't come crying to me to purchase a set of my headers if this goes through, I'm not selling you a fu(king set no matter how much you beg (Had to throw that stab in)

And this is why this thread again needs to be locked.

And I live in BFE corn country. No smog for a long as the eye can see. And do you really think I will go "crying" to your sorry a$$? PLEASE! If you think that then your dumber then I thought...

And quess what.. I am not going to sell YOU a fu(king set no matter how much YOU BEG.
And good luck tring to get those long tube to pass EPA, they wont for more then just the EGR reason. They are damn near impossible to make a Y pipe for once under the car. They come out right on top of the trans cross member. And given the F bodies undercarage, there is no room to run 2 180's, AND 2 90's, just to attach another 2 45's then run that to a 2-1 and keep the cat converter in stock location. But I guess you already thought of that right?
Not to mention that alot of the guys could not run them, as the only way to get any real power to the ground is with MANUAL, and those OPPS don't fit MANUAL CARS!
HAVE FUN DIP $HIT!



As for me, I have given up on the V6 and am purchasing a 396 BB this week and beginning the rebuild for the install over the summer months, once out of school. Can you say not following convention... as everyone swaps in 350/400 engines... And I already have the exterior laid out as planned. Getting 396 SS Chevelle nose emblems to put on.

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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 04:01 PM
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Oh and just FYI people.. this is one of my last posts... If any have questions, fell free to ask, but I will ralely come onto the boards now. I find it pointless.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 04:20 PM
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Geez, the thing everybody needs most is the cause of all this hell... custom headers have always been available- you go to your local garage and have them weld you a set- and then you pay a ton of cash. Mass-produced sets for 5 people aren't going to cost much less, especially if they're made out of stainless steel! Just something for you all to keep in mind; don't hop on and say you're interested (to goof things up for everyone else) if you think you can buy these for $150.

And there's STILL no y-pipe! So most of you (all of you?) will have to go get one made; extra cost.

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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 04:41 PM
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I'm interested, no wait.......I allready have them :sillylol:

when I get back, I'll go ahead & get the tranny rebuilt & slap the headers on then. I'll be able to afford the y-pipe & have dynomax welded on

see ya CHD
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 06:13 PM
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Re: Re: Re: CARB

Originally posted by Camar_Hunter_c
They are damn near impossible to make a Y pipe for once under the car. They come out right on top of the trans cross member. And given the F bodies undercarage, there is no room to run 2 180's, AND 2 90's, just to attach another 2 45's then run that to a 2-1 and keep the cat converter in stock location. But I guess you already thought of that right?
Not to mention that alot of the guys could not run them, as the only way to get any real power to the ground is with MANUAL, and those OPPS don't fit MANUAL CARS!
HAVE FUN DIP $HIT!
Contact Jimmy at http://www.racing-transmissions.com/ and tell him this b.s. These automatic trans are in my Camaro and my truck.

You'll probably notice the absence of the driver side manifolds in the picture above. We are currently working on routing them under the motor if fessible while maintaining full equal length headers. Kiss my *** corn boy.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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The prototype headers are stainless, only because the car they're going on is in MI and is the owners winter beater. He doesn't want them to rust out.

This set is also a shorty design, with equal length tubes of 1 1/2 primaries with a 2" collector. They will come with a mandrel bent Y-pipe or if you are on a budget they can be had witha crush bent y.

CHC....sorry to have made you bitter about all of this. You must realize that you are not the only person in this world that can make a product that works for this crowd. Quit running away with your tail between your legs and quit being a baby.

Mods, this topic was created as a tech topic, and I think it has some purpose, so please don't lock it. I am tired of every thread I start being locked because CHC comes in and whines. This is a serious topic and it is addressing the needs of the members of this board and they will only benefit from the outcome.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by IROC57TPI

CHC....sorry to have made you bitter about all of this. You must realize that you are not the only person in this world that can make a product that works for this crowd. Quit running away with your tail between your legs and quit being a baby.

Mods, this topic was created as a tech topic, and I think it has some purpose, so please don't lock it. I am tired of every thread I start being locked because CHC comes in and whines. This is a serious topic and it is addressing the needs of the members of this board and they will only benefit from the outcome.
You know how many topic there are about these damn things? TOO MANY. The point remains that this board will say they want everything, but promises are short lived. I am not bitter over the subject, after all was said and done, I came out even, and with alot of tools that I will be using on later projects.

I know I am not the only person in the world that can make a product for THIS crowd, but you know what? In all honesty I could care less about this crowd. I started this header project for MY CAR, NOT THIERS. It just so happened that a few paid for some sets I made. Alot that promissed did not.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 04:35 PM
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If you build it...they will come...

They have to be ready....understood...seen....priced...and of the highest quality.

People dont like surprises or promises...people buy quality.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by KJay
If you build it...they will come...

They have to be ready....understood...seen....priced...and of the highest quality.

People dont like surprises or promises...people buy quality.
Yes I agree, I to will purchase a set if they are made of the best quality (stainless steel is always nice), and are fairly priced along with the y-pipe. I'm not impliing they be cheaply priced- only an appropriate market price for a quality product. Based on quality and design, I would say that would be in the $300-$600 range.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 10:44 PM
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Do Fieros have smog legal headers (besides factory offering)?
I believe not....
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Old Jan 1, 2003 | 07:48 PM
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The headers are done and pics are posted under the "prototype headers" thread. Please email any questions you may have to: IROC5.7TPI@att.net
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