This is the first time I have chimed in on this one, I have been following the header posts all along.

I have to say, these SS headers are beautiful. They are far from "Hacked together" by any means, and there is nothing wrong with butt welding mandrel bent parts together.

Quality costs money. Demand puts things into production, lowering the cost to the consumer. If there was a high demand for these headers or an existing header manufacturer with tooling all set up made them they would cost far less.

I would like to see a back to back comparison of the vehicle with the protos on it with chassis dyno figures before/after.

Also, in addition to installing the headers was the rest of the exhaust changed, hi flow cat, better Y-pipe, less restrictive muffler, and was this done at the same time?

Eric

 

the headers and y pipe were changed the cat was removed and a shorter belt to remove the air pump was all done at the same time. right now i currently have a 3 inch exhaust with a crossflow flowmaster on it. this has been on it for some time. it is getting changed as it is too big for the car with the new 2 1/2 exhaust and fuel pump i hope to pick up some more power. i would have back to back dynoed them but with 146,000 miles i don't feel comfortable doing it. if anyone wants to come up here and buy a set of headers and have them installled i will do back to back dyno runs for free.

 

That sounds like a reasonable deal. I forgot that you had removed the air pump. I can see that mine is not conected to the Cat anyway.

Eric

 

Not to be an ***, I understand these are proto type headers. Also, all the cars you mentioned are FULL BLOWN RACING cars. These are going on daily drivers. Buy my saying they look hacked/spliced together meaning there are more welds, which give it more places to crack and leak. Evidently all I have ever seen are mass produced headers.

 

Gee and I thought I was the only one that saw that very potenial probllem I mean with the welds bien so close to the bends. And we all know what bends create on the right? HEAT. Meaning that in all possibility the welds COULD retempter themselves, and as they do this with every start, and long drive they become weaker and weaker.

 

ty, glad I'm not the only one understanding the abuse a daily driver gets.

 

If the welds are good (and they would be, with TIG), they're not going to crack into pieces. What do you guys think that you'd get if you dropped $1000 at a garage for custom headers? You'd get the same thing; mandrel-bent tubing welded together. That's why they -sell- sections of mandrel bent tubing...

 

I was always under the impression that the fewer welds the better. less stress on the metal, fewer places for possible places for material failure, and themost importantly, welds create rough spots in the tube that hinder flow. Nevermind the appearance look. If you have a mandrel bender, why only make many small bends then splice them in and not make the entire tube?

 

maybe, just maybe you should have had a policy more along the lines of 'you send me money and i build them'. i guess business isn't your thing

 

Actually, thats EXACTLY what I did, did you think I would make these and send them for a "promise" of money?

Did I buy all the equipment? Yes.
I was going to make a set for my car. Did I? Yes.
I promised I would offer them to the board for general sale, did I? Yes.
Is all the equipment I biought for sole use of making headers? hell NO.
I have a tubing bender, a 14 inch metal cutting saw, 2 drill presses and a welder. And I plan on saving and buying a hydraulic bender and a Mig welder, by May that I will use on more future projects.

 

Exactly what I mean is this: Someone says "HEY! I want some of those headers!" and your like "O.K., i'll make them when I get my cash." Customer sends you cash then you build/deliver the product... made to order. This in itself cancels out the deadbeats because you get the cash before even building them (cancelling out having extra unpaid assemblies) Make sense? Those headers look really good albeit I have a V8

 

If you want a set all you have to do is ask nicely Greg has a set of V8 headers that we havn't started marketing yet, and they're even nicer than these V6's. They're long tube with a 3" Y-pipe, installed like an LS1 setup with a custom crossmember. He's also got a custom 4" stainless exhaust with a Spintech muffler. Email me and I'll get some pics if interested..

 

on the topic of the welds on the tubes. the weld joint is stronger than the tube itself. we have built headers since 1989 and have not had problems with this.
here are some problems that will cause cracking.
1. road racing cars can break at the flanges from constant high rpm, heat and vibration. this is one of the reasons all of our headers are welded both inside and out and with silicon bronze which is more flexable.
2.turbo cars can crack from not supporting the turbo properly.
3. running too lean or too high exhaust gas temperature.
4. not supporting the exhaust system properly.
these will all cause cracking weather the tubes are welded together or one piece. (CHC)we do not have a mandrel bender they cost $100,000 + and they wear out dies frequently. they take up a lot of space and with the cost it takes along time to make your money back.

 

TTT^

 

TTT^

 

your point????

I doubt anyone will ever spend that much on a set of headers when a NOS setup would cost less and give 10 times more power.

find a way to make sets for 100 bucks and then you will sell some.

Id take a 100-150 set of name brand v8 headers, a cut off saw and my welder and make my own first for that price.

 

Well FYI it is because I have been getting a lot of questions and requests for pics of these headers from members of this board and the SEARCH button is out of order.

If you wouldn't pay that much so what, we have plenty of other customers that are willing to pay for a good product. I will not do as you intend me to do and turn this into a flame to get this thread locked.

So anyone that wants to know the benefits of these headers please email me and I'll give you more info.

 

If it were so easy the you would have made your own set by now.

I happen to be one that is extremely interested in Iroc57TPI's product and have been in contact with him. I also happen to feel that his price is fair due to the nature of them being custom made and not mass produced. Your only other option as of now is to stick with your crappy stock exhaust manifold if that's what floats your boat- it doen't float mine.

Don't be an *** to this guy just because YOU don't want to buy any. There are many of us that have wanted headers for a V6 for years and they have never been available in this form (connecting to a Y-pipe under the front of the motor- Hooker, Heddman, and Pacesetter all ran back into duals with no ground clearance like these have)

 

The headers look good. I like my car to be emmissions friendly and such so I would need the SS headers, y-pipe, EGR connection. That would be expensive though since these headers are made to order. I can't afford that right now, but it is nice to know that if I had the extra money that the headers and y-pipe would be available.

 

I don't see why someone would need an AC bracket unless thier car did not come with one. On my 87 2.8l, The AC bracket is seperate and just mounts over one of the passenger side exhaust header bolts.

 

In regards to the price, for 220 bucks you can get pacesetter headers and a y-pipe.

 

I am assuming you are talking about the 3.4l headers, which you have to bend the hell out of and move some other stuff in the engine bay to get them to fit. Those headers have no provisions for an EGR valve either, although it would not be that difficult to weld one in.

 

I was under the impression that the threads on t the topic of "headers" were closed, at least that's the impression I get by reading the sticky at the top of the board.
So my questions is... Why is this NOT locked as the others are?

Iroc to repeatedly TTT your "sales" post is NOT TECH.

I looked through C-H-C's posts, and he did not just TTT his posts on this subject, he was answering questions that were posed. That again was before the threads on the topic were locked.

And as a correction to the "sticky" thread, there is now only one manufacturer for these headers(going off CHC's words) and if you want to waste your money on them, go for it.

I have emailed him about possibly restarting production in the summer, as he had earlier stated, and let's just say he said "No", But was actually buying/building the equipment so he could use it on his future projects, which he also said did not include anything for the V6.

 

cry me a river Sorry CHC, life goes on.

TECH:
So who has the fastest V6 with headers? Post times and dyno numbers if you got em.

EDIT:

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First off, I am NOT CHC... Second, wanitng to become sponsor or not makes no difference.. all threads about headers have been locked since that "sticky" was made, why not his one as well?
Point made.

 

And do you even own a V6? According to many a thread, you "claim" that you don't, but when you posted the pics of the headers, you take full responsibility for owning the car they went on, so whats the truth?

 

I never implied that the car was mine. They are Greg's, the guy that built the prototype headers. He made them for his car. Thats where they are and all testing will be done on that very same car.

Question: Whats with all of the offense? What does any of this have to do with you? If you don't want headers then don't buy them. If you don't want to read this topic then don't. If it affects your personal well being in some way then come forward and explain. If you are a paid sponsor of this site and we are imapcting your sales, please by all means let us know. We are just trying to provide a service to you and other owners of V6 f-bodies.

 

No, the fact remains that for some unseen reason tTHIS thread on this topic has not been locked, when ALL others have been. I am simply stating that what goes for one, goes for all. There cannot be favorites and preferances made.

And No, Personally I know of servel local shops that can make even better versions of those that you have over the course of a week, for over $100 less, and even include the "Y" pipe. The thing is they also needs your car while working on them.

Me, instead of wasting $300 PLUS for your set, I would buy an engine to swap into the car.(obvious V8)
Also, to those that say what about insurance? and MPG?
Well hear this....
Insuurance companies only look at your VIN number... If it says V6, they record as V6. So yes if you say,"Yeah I got a blah blah blah engine", Yes they will go verify the "shared information" and raise your insurance appropriately.
The MPG dealio...
The power of computers these days in endless. Meaning If done correctly, you can buy the required equipment and burn off 2 cips and have them wired in series to your ECM. Now what this will allow is one chip say "MPG" chip, to be on and you get 20-27 MPG regularly. The other is the "real" chip. And you control them VIA toggle switch. The 8192 Baud is fast enough that the engine WILL shudder while adjusting moentarily, but not quit when you flip the switch.
Now, those 2 arguements for swapping mean nothing. It's called engineering.... thinking through problems.


But back to the topic at hand...

I have seen many a post about headers(using the back page takes forever BTW) and I have noticed something... Again they are all CLOSED..... Hmm so why is this the mystical majical one tat is allowed to remain open? There has been minimal content, with a fare share of flames in this one, so what is the technical relivance besides making an overpriced sales pitch to a group of people(for the mot part under 22) that can abrely afford their cars as it is, much less spend over $300 PLUS for a mod that will not see more then 10-15 HP probly.
Take that cash, put it in the bank, or buy an engine and a stand, put it in the garage and start working on it. get your hands dirty, and with every bit of free cash, get what you need. Take your time and before you know it, maybe 4-5 months you will have a really nice engine to swap in.
Hell I can even give time tables if you want, and with a budget of maybe say....
150 for used engine
350 for rebuild kit
120 for engine bay parts
300 for suspension parts
trans is up to you, but lets say... 100 for trans, another 100 for rebuild kit. so
200
So in all a little over 1K you have a good V8 under the hood that will move you along nicely.... If you want TPI, I recomend Holy stealth systems, which is a stand alone system for another 1K, or go to ebay and peice togeather a stock TPI system for around 300.

 

That is called, "Aftermarket Product" and "classifieds" boards, Yes post a thing saying, hey we are doing this, and then move to the correct board with further info.

 

v6 sucker it sounds to me like your an *** hole shut the ****up and mind you own bissness......

sorry mods but somebody had to say it.... please don't lock this thread becouse then he would have the plesure of getting it locked.... now i will shut my mouth...

 

The other Header post got locked b/c they turned into a debate on was making the better headers CHC or IROC which was a mute point since CHC made it very clear that he did not want anything to do with this board anymore so there realy wasn't a debate since only one person is making the headers. IF you looked further back and checked on the orginial posts when CHC first started to make his headers you will noticed that none of them were locked and there was numerous ones, one was even made a sticky for awhile. If you have come to this board to get help with your V6 like you have claimed in a previous post then I suggest that you don't start cutting on the very people that are here to help you.

 

The board admin’s were nice enough to give you a sticky at the top of the page, That should be more than enough so drop the topic.

I think you would realize that making the debate go on even longer will just get this thread locked and they might just remove your sticky too.

I don’t think anyone eve cares about $300 headers unless they are gold plated. I would never spend that much on just a few HP.


Good luck to ya but you might as well drop it now or you will find all your header post being locked cause no one wants too hear it, and we will tell you what we think if you ask and act like an idiot just enough to get your thread lock but not enough to get us banned.


LOCK IT........

 

I ordered a set

 

If you did, then you just wasted your money. Plain fact.

Xcelerate, I a not being an A$$, I am speaking truth. I am spending/ or have spent Maybe 1k rebuilding a nice 400 Ci with a 350 crank and matching trans.

I read that ked spent around this (and a little more)to get a 3.4 swapped in. With having a V8 parts car handy, the remaining cost is maybe another 200 bucks max. so $1200 for a Kickin 400 horse 8, or 1200, for a 3.4 that only has 160 Hp.... Obvious choice for me. As I stated in another post, I had a GTA 'Bird sold out from u nder me, in in my mind a V6 was never an option, but I happened across a decent one with a good body, and since I already had A) a parts car, and B) and engine being built for another car it was not THAT bad a choice.

Again I state that there is a sticky at the top of this board, that gives the previlent info, so why this other post that is nothing but a sales pitch to try to get people to spend more money that what something is worth?

To buy those headers, is like spending 600 bucks on a Intel P2 300 system with nothing but 7 year old parts. I invest my money more wisely, for $700 I have a very nice 2000 Athalon XP system, Radeon 9000 pro Vid, 5 channel aucdio, modem, Nic card, 48X CDRW, 56 CD, 20 gig, and a 60 GIG drives, modified aluminum case, 17" monitor, raid supported motherboard, 512 DDR, wireless mouse, and keyboard, and a APC 650 Pro UPS battery backup. So tell me the better deal?

 

Hey Sucker, you are comparing apples to oranges. These are for guys that are perfectly content with a V6. You come on here bashing people for spending money on modding their V6, only to say that they should just forget about the whole V6 thing and go V8? Since when is V6 bashing allowed on the V6 board? So if you are no longer interested in making a V6 perform, then why do you continue to post on this board?

[/flame suit]

Anyhow, if anyone wants headers or has questions, email me. And for those of you that have placed your orders thank you. The headers will speak for themselves. And for those of you that appreciate us going above and beyond to manufacture a product for you cars, your welcome.

Please keep the header requests coming. We will offer a 10% group purchase discount in the near future if anyone is interested.

 

LOL, maybe you should be on the computer forums, somewhere else. Especially if you modified your "aluminum case". Is your floor or desk too weak to hold a normal metal case? Why on earth would you want an aluminum case for a computer that sits under the desk?

Why do these headers bother you so much? CHC's posts always got locked because he started bs about them. This message was up because people were discussing what they'd like to see and what they wouldn't like to see; that's why it's not closed.

As for "do this and do that instead of headers"- when you're all done doing this and that, you'll still need headers. Case closed!

And if you can find a shop nearby that does them for $100 less, then hey, go for it, why the hell would any of US care? People sell K&N's on ebay for $40, when you can buy them new for $35. Why don't you go yell at them? I can buy a soda at one store and pay $1.25, or go to another store and pay $1.20- same soda. Well, so what? Someone charges more for something. That's why it's America. A person can choose to buy something, or they can choose not to. That's something else CHC failed to understand.

I can tell you're going to bitch and moan and flame away until this message gets closed, aren't you? You surely must have something better to do... dontchya?? Why don't you go over to the Exhaust forum and talk about burnt valves. They'll love you for it.

IROC57, I believe for advertising, you contact Dirk, the owner of thirdgen.org. You can find his email link from the main https://www.thirdgen.org page.

 

Aluminum cases dissipate the heat better

 

soo any who how do the v6 hedder's sound with a hi po cam in the motor..? dose any one have any sound clips

 

DP

 

No, if I want headers for a V8, I am paying 150. And no I am not V6 bashing, I have not told anyone their V6 is crap. I am stateing the obvious truth, the 60* V6s' are simply not worth the time, effort, and money to try to squeeze 40 more hp from them. So why even debate it, we know it is true.

I stated earlier the costs so far in me building a proper engine for a camaro for the performance oriented people. If you want performance, you cannot keep the 60*, at best you can swap in the Buick 3.8 and have a blast, but that is even more money, and ALOT bigger hastle. As many parts will have to be changed so it can fit the engine bay properly.

Again I am going back to your prices...
$320 or so for a set of regular BARE plain jane steel headers. In my book that is WAY steep for cost effectiveness. Then you take on the additional cost of having to have a shop build a "Y" pipe, that they will have to special order flange fittings for so they will bolt to the headers, and then they will need another fitting to properly bolt the Converter on, can you say another $2-300 easy. So Now lets take a step back and look at the gains (and losses)

Ok, you have a set of headers that will actully work on your car(that is if you do not live near smog checks, and do not plan on moving anywere soon that do have them. So in theory, if you live near a suburban area, ixney on these ey, cause if it's not checking yet, trust me they will be soon.

Cost 5-600 bucks....
Gains is performance.. well if your lucky 10-15 HP with maximum mods to the engine.

Hmm, great deal huh?

Yeah, take that 5-600 and buy/build yourself a NOS system, that will be more realiable, street legal just about everywhere (with remote bottle valve control) and ALOT less trouble to deal with. Oh, and don't forget, you have 50-75 Hp gain, not 15....

And TomP, just by that reply you seem like an arrogent a$$ to me... you obviously know little about PC's.

First, case mods pertain to "Modifing" the case to the owners own taste. I.E, front mounted bubble light strips, clear lexan top with colored fans mounted in it. Neon (or cold chathode) lights mounted internally. Side panel windows with sand blasted etchings of your own design. Light refractive cables, glow in the dark cables.
Oh and anyone that builds performance computers for any time frame knows that standard steel cases heat up very quickly, and they hold that heat in, therefore heating up the internal componets. Do we know that heat kills performance? Well if not, you do now.
I have alot of high end components in my computer, hell I am having to build another side panel just so that I can mount another power supply in the case itself. And I am currently running a 660 watt Power supply, and when I get going on it, I push it hard.
Aluminum cases act as a large heat sink for componets, and aluminum cools off very quickly. And not to metion alot lighter then stardard steel cases. They also provide protection against static electricity build up.
Put it this way, my computer as it now stands weighs less then 22 pounds (perfect for taking to LAN parties BTW). This makes it easily mobile. An EMPTY steel case of the same tower size as mine weighs 25 pounds. Now add the componets to that and you can see the significant difference in weight.
Oh and my computer does not "sit" IN a desk (is that possible for 2 objects to occupy the same space at the same time?)
And no it does not "Sit" on a shelf.
And not it does not "Sit" ON a desh either, it sits beside my 35 inch T.V. in the family room for all to see and admire. Also, I do not "use" a monitor anymore either, 19" just got too small for me. That T.V. the computer is sitting beside just happens to be my new monitor. Talk about killer game play now....

As a side note the next mod I am doing is fabricating a new base about 4-5 inches high that will act as a water tank and I already have a B&M trans cooler that will be mounted at the rear of the tank to coole the circulating water. The point of this is that I will be able to cool my system with water blocks and pelter devices, esscentially lowering the CPU, the MB Controller, the video car processor, and my memory to on or about 0 (and lower if desired) degrees (down from the current 79-82). This will allow extremely high and stable overclocking enviroment that I am hoping to get up to about 2600( or 2.9 Ghtz out of my 2000 althalon processor. And when I get my several thousand dollar tax refund, I will be buying a 2800 Athalon and replacing the 200 with that, then imagine the speed.... Intel, kiss my a$$...