[ A sequel to Crazy Audio Idea's From Gumby; on the audio board]

A very long thread about the might v6. ONLY. [your V8 opinion is not welcome here.]

A special note: [No V8 BS will be tolerated here, don't even bring it up, don't even say it, don't even consider how much money I could save, don't even consider it even one bit, your V8 opinion is not welcome here.]

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I was watching a show on A&E all about tractor pulls and these mullity engine monsters.

Hmmm anyone remember that hot wheels car with 2 v8 motors in a v???

Besides the adapter parts my brain go thinking about having 2 2.8's under the hood. There is enough room if you’re not worried about seeing the road.

Course 2 straight 6es might work better, but I love the quick rpms of the 2.8

 

Your so Crazy.
I am sure a design, time, effort and money would allow this idea to be very real and possible. Not feasible by anymeans, but would be fun to drive, and show.

I will give you original on your dual 2.8 idea. But I can not ever see anyone doing this.

Caddy built a dual V-8 mounted car a few years ago. Thats like 550-600 hp from Two North stars and powered each axle independtly.

 

My girlfriend's brother is working on a 1950 something ford truck that he put 2 engines in. He put the second engine under where the passenger seat was. That probably wouldn't work too well in a unibody car though.

 

Playing devil's advocate here. How will you mount the two 2.8's? How will they connect to the transmission?

You could probably find info on how to run twin engines from most boat manufacturers as many of them offer twin, and tripple engine configurations on some boats.

Some of the big offshore custom boats even have 4 engines! Can you say 70 to 80 gallons per hour of gas consumption?

 

Well I was thinking you could attach them together easily with a few brackets and a custome oil pan. bring the bottom edge together but the engine to tranny part may not be fun.

I owuld think all you need is an arangment of gears, somethingl ike a rear end so, if one is a tad slower or faster it wont screw with the other engine.


I am sure it would need to be an automatic though, You would need both hands to hang on. and since the final drive parts will be custome, sky is the limit on what trany to use.

Thee is also that 3 speed auto trans they make for monster trucks, you ever see that sucker??? looks like a sb ford tranny but it made for 2000_hp monster rucks.

 

Hmmm if you ccccould get one of the engine to run backwards itwould be even esier.


what all does it take to get an engine to run backwards???

you know that fabled nascar motor that can start in either direction, for inspection they run it rightm then once on the track, you stall it out, and fire it up backwards, so the engine applies downforce/


could any engine run backwards?????

 

Actually, it wasn't Cadillac that built one. The car in question WAS a Cadillac (an Eldorado, late 90s) but this is still being done. The design, etc is done by a company called Mosler Auto. They are located about 20 miles from Moroso Motorsports Park. Mosler Auto is located in Jupiter Beach, Florida. I go up there all the time during the summer to go snorkling and you will often see a couple of those driving around. You can tell it's a Mosler "TwinStar" by the fact that it has a large grill mesh vent on the trunk lid. They sell them for about 80 grand if I remember correctly.

Mosler auto also builds race-cars, a few are the Mosler Raptor, etc... I think the website is www.mosler.com..

oops, never mind, just checked the web site, it's now..

http://www.moslerauto.com/

and they happened to move too.. they are now located in Riviera Beach, Florida. But the owner still lives in Jupiter, you can see his house from the road.. HUGE friggin mansion off the shore.


As far as the dual engine concept goes... Chevrolet was originally considering (as a possibility) a dual-V6 platform for the new 1984 Corvette. Obviously this never came to be, but the platform would have been SIMILAR to that of the Pontiac Fiero, except minus the space frame. They took two front wheel drive cars, cut them in half, and welded their fronts together.

It had two V6/60s (2.9 turbos) placed in conjunction with eachother. The original one was the primary engine (in the front) and then with a starter button, the rear could be started as well. The car only had one alternator, and only one battery as well.

 

I think that my girlfriend's brother used a transfer case to hook the 2 engines to the drive shaft for his truck. As long as the 2 engines are fairly equal to each other it will work. Its been several months since he explained how it all worked so I can't remember all the detail of what he had to do.

 

moved from ebay finds

NEW PROPANE INJECTION KIT DIESEL GASOLINE

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1876324473


after further reading, I may consider add propane to my 2.8 beofre notrous. No worrieas about detonation and extra fuel problems.

If you read the other adds for propane injection, they claim it add 100hp and 250 ft of torque.

more power and extra gas mileage.



------I was considering a cheap plate system for my bird, cause it delivers fuel too. Was just gonna put the plate in front of the TB but too much money, too many problems and i can get propane free.

 

"PROPANE INJECTION SYSTEM

Compatible With ALL Turbocharged-Supercharged Vehicles

http://www.importpoweronline.com/propane.html

Why Propane?
Very High Octane Rating of 110+
Lower Intake Charge temps-Leaves bottle at -60 degrees
Allows You To Run Higher Boost Levels Without Detonation
Very Cost effective. One $2.50 PropaneTank fill up lasts many gas tank fill ups"

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http://www.paintbyyates.com/jason/rx7/propane/

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http://mazdarepu.com/board/viewthread.php3?FID=3&TID=135


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so lots of small cars using propane....

 

I saw that in Hot Rod a few years ago! The article was titled something like "GM's forgotton test cars".. and I think they called it the push-pull corvette? Got a chuckle out of seeing the 2.8's under the hood. Are you sure they were 2.9's? Then again for a test car, they probably wouldn't have bothered to change the emblem on the plenum from 2.8 to 2.9 ...

 

Yeah, I've got the actual SCANS from the magazine.

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure if they were 2.9s or 3.2s. I know it wasn't something normal like 2.8 or 3.1 or 3.4.

It WAS a V6/60, but it wasn't one of the normal sizes.

I DO remember that the engine was made all aluminum for weight saving reasons.

And yeah, I seem to remember it being called the Push-Pull too.

 

easier/more feasable way: take 2 2.8-3.4 motors. remove front clip from grand am or lumina, install in front of f-body. take transaxle from fiero & install in rear of f-body. remove "back seats" & install custom fuel tank/cell. get custom ecm/shifter made to coordinate everything. 4wd, twin engine, & should go "Twice as fast as the same car w/1 engine"

:sillylol: yes, but I still think it could be done. For emissions, disable one of the engines

 

To be honest, it would be a lot easier to do that in a Fiero from the start.

The front of the Fiero is actually the front of the Citation X-11.

If you remove the spare tire and braking components from the front of the Fiero, there is a regular frame in there, you can acutally mount an engine in there.. though I think it's longitudinally mounted.. so never mind!

But actually, a lot of people who drag race Fieros at the track.. like to do that. They drop in a small block chevy in the front of the Fiero. It fits fine, but you have to cut a HUGE hole in teh front.

Personally, I prefer the V8 wedged i the rear.


Todd

 

I remember seeing a big block wedged behind a Fiero. I couldn't believe it myself. I was like, "Get the F_____K out of here, you got to be kidding me, that's not real, S__T that is real."


So anything can be done, all you need is time, money, and materials.


I have a crazy idea, How about fusing 2 2.8ls together and their parts to create a 5.7L V12. I a have often day dreamed about something like that.

 

That would be one of, if not the only V12 that makes less than 300 hp...

 

The old Ferrari Colombo V12 only put out 280bhp, but then again it's displacement was smaller than 4.0l.


How about two DOHC 2.8ls mated together and put tranversally into the rear. LOL

 

I read once several yrs ago in an old hotrod or something they put a 396 into a corvair. it had all the details on how they made the engine run backwards. I just don't remember what they did.

 

new cam & reverse polarity on starter to turn backwards?

 

I need to get better at search engines but there is that fabled nascar motor that ran in either direction, it just depended on which way you cranked it when starting.



I found a very very very interesting plug, they can be had in canada for 10buck for our v6.

BRISK PREMIUM LGS SPARK PLUGS

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=154327

 

You must have seen that V16 them guys did a while back. I remember seeing it in hotrod when it came out. 2 350 v8 fused into one piece.

they used a giant oven to fused all the part together, block, heads, crank, cam.

but the sucker went straight into storage and never made it into a car.

kind of a waste.

 

A very interesting post to my plug question in the product section.


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SmartPlug
Verses
Spark Plug



Them suckers are 125 buck but man just think about getting ride of the ignition system. no more coil, dis, cap rotor or plugs. so many parts and headaches gone. It is almost worth it.

you know for sure, that spark is never an issue. now only if they work as well as they say they do. anyone got money to burn???

 

Anyone catch Trucks on TNN today. They put both a propane system and a NOS system on a monster dodge truck. They gained 240 extra hp with both.

some where around 495-59 total hp

 

I'm having some power problems that might be audio related, I don't know.

System bumpin hard and clean; all the power shut off & on real fast

Other night just out for a drive and jammin away; all of a sudden all the power goes off and on real fast, twice. Like someone shut the key off and on real fast. engine died for a sec n everything.

seamed fine after I turned the radio down. but today it did not want to start, when I hit the start position on the key it would goto turn over but then like the whole system lost power, did that a few dozen times and then finally started and i went home.

 

check tha battery terminlas, but then you knew this,just too damn cold out

 

Fusible link, perhaps?

 

if it was a fusable link, it shouldn't have started at all.

also, checked out that smart plug thing. seems to me they claim to have invented a glowplug to work in lower compression engines.

compress the mixture enough, it will generate enough heat to spontaneously combust that's basically the theory behind deisel engines, compress the air/fuel mixture enough where only the heat from the glow plug is needed to set the mixture off.

edit: how is it controlled, i.e. what would advance/retard the firing? gues it's not needed on my lawnmower

 

Them smart plugs would be hot all the time, so any time enouh fuel was in there for a fire, it would fire off. like having constant spark????I guess.
your cam timing would be the important one then i guess, would need an adjustable cam gear.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=156982

 

i gave you a reply to NOS snake oil.

getting back to the topic......how about taking a 97+ gtp powertrain and making the sucker fit between the front wheels? When I get back, and it's a lot warmer , I'll park the GPGT & the Bird beside each other, pop the hoods, break out the yardstick & think.

 

You know many time I have done the same with my wagon.

But I'm no sure about the stearing linkage.

 

Id like to get a welder for boxing off parts, exhaust work, putting in sub frame connectors and all them easy mods that just require a welder. IM looking for some welder choice input.


https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=157792

 

? What is boxing off parts?

 

a-arms lca's any other stock stamped parts that would benefit from being boxed off.

I just wanna make sue I get *** one for working on the car. I can think of millions of parts I could weld. a welder makes most custom jobs easy if you can just make what you need or just weld it in place.

 

I think you can get inexpensive boxed off lca from slp, or even spohn. Gumby, quit messing w/the avatar. show that you fear change

back to topic again.

2 of us will be staring @ the poped hoods of our f-body & a fwd car & stratching our heads come warmer weather. who else?

 

If I had a FWD car to park next to an F-body, I would. I hope someday to put the aluminum FWD heads on a RWD motor.

 

anyone ever priced out a reverse coolant flow system for our V6???

And/or thought of a way to do it your self???

I assume our system is still or was standard and the heads do not get cooled first.

Just noticed a side not in a thread about GM waking up and realizing if they reversed the flow on the vette it had much more power.

Cool the heads first.

 

MD, I'm gonna check that road out this summer when I redo the motor. I have a feeling the junkyard I usually go to would let me have a set of the aluminum heads for next to nothing. If the FWD pistons really line up and everything, we might be all set. 'Course then there's the issue with aluminum heads and warping... (sigh)

Oh and Gumby, if you were to plumb in a Meziere remote water pump, my guess is that you could rig the coolant system up to flow in reverse. Would the T-stat housing need to be moved at all?

 

if you put the fwd heads on, don't forget the fwd pistons for clearance. For what it's worth, the water pump on the 3.4 is set up to run in the opposite direction as the 2.8. Not really reverse flow, just opposite I guess

 

The biggest obstacle Ihave observed is in the intake manifold. The intake ports on our heads are siamesed. On the FWD ones they are spaced equally. That would facilitate the need for a FWD intake. The distributor would work but the TB needs to face the front of the motor. Maybe the top part of the plenum can be flipped around and still work.

 

keep the tb facing backwards, get one of those 4" cowl induction hoods and close most o off, except for where the K&N filter is to get that instant cai effect.

 

Id just cut a big hole in the cowl and run some hose inside and up your windshield and have one of them funky rooftop scoops for a ramair setup.

 

you've been loking at too many of those fieros & bugs with those big a$$ scoops on them

what ever is done, dodn't do that little air filter sticking up out of the hood like on that one post a while back :sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol:

 

Believe it or not I know a guy that had 2 Buick V6's with blowers in a vehicle,he had just taken them out when I met him. I'll try to get some more info.