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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 12:13 AM
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Flaunting my PF&E Headers

10 years of wanting and waiting can not entirely be summed up in three words but here goes the best way I was taught. "Thank You Greg".

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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 01:01 AM
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I gotta say, they look pretty damn sharp!

I'm willing to bet you laid out a pretty penny for those, too!!

So what's the specs? Equal/unequal? 1/2 Primaries into a 2" pipe, into a 2.5" Y, or what? Specs!!!
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 09:21 AM
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Thats a funky looking y-pipe, but they do look better then that "other brand" that was offered.

I still don't like all them splices, but hey, you gotta do, what you gotta do.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 09:39 AM
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Thats a funky looking y-pipe, but they do look better then that "other brand" that was offered.

I still don't like all them splices, but hey, you gotta do, what you gotta do.
A funky looking y-pipe? Might I ask how much straighter it could be made- Might I say rudely that I think you are clueless with that comment. Go figure- Pictures gone I don't need anymore naive comments- you poeple are obviously ignorant to high performance cars & parts. Go around and be penny pinching tight asses- I check in a year how many of you have bought Pacesetter headers- what a joke.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
A funky looking y-pipe? Might I ask how much straighter it could be made- Might I say rudely that I think you are clueless with that comment. Go figure- Pictures gone I don't need anymore naive comments- you poeple are obviously ignorant to high performance cars & parts. Go around and be penny pinching tight asses- I check in a year how many of you have bought Pacesetter headers- what a joke.
Placing 'You people' seems pretty broad there man. If you're gonna have beef with someone, have it with them, and not the whole group, ok?

On a side now, upload that pic again! I want to save that... I wasn't expecting you to pull it back down today

Besides, who the heck needs headers? Somehow, I think a turbo will net me more power than a set of headers That Y pipe was freaking awesome tho... I pulled up my Turbo thread, with the pics of our stock Y pipe, and compared to yours on the headers, what a joke... now go get that thing installed, and let's know how it does!!
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 12:46 PM
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Agood, since you obviously took my response wrong. I was saying they looked nice.

As to my comment of a funny looking y-pipe. I have never seen one face to the side, I have always seen them face to the rear. It also looks like a ball/socket type flange at the end off it which IMO is not what is needed to add your cat-converter too.

As for others who wish to see because he took my comment wrong, I saved it, so here it is....
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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 01:31 PM
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I think I own an apology to Dale- I come in here a little pissed after something posted on anther board and was slightly on the hot temper side -Sorry. (Here's the reason- I defend the honor of a father son relationship that some other young asssholes are bashing and things struck a nerve- https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=187745

Dale, I understand now from your second post what you are referring to with the "funky y-pipe". You mean the rear flange pointing out the pasenger side rather than wrapping back to the cat. Greg left it this way for me because everycar is different when you deal with subframe connecters and aftermarket cats &catback systems matching up- as well as I plan to install a cutout in the location between the y-pipe flange and the cat- this gives me room to work and have my own options fitted.

Sorry again for my **** poor attitude- Its been one of those weeks.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 04:49 PM
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I guess those are custom. You mind if I ask how much that cost? It looks awsome by the way.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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That Y-pipe is a trip! are you done with the RAM Air project yet? you gotta post some pics wen you install it.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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Yea they look nice very clean and coated too! I dont like the flang personally but it just depends on the bend after it. That Y system wouldent fly on a V-8 but theres a little room to play since a six is different. How long untill there installed?
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 07:36 PM
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Appology accepted agood. I can kinda see where you got a little pissed. As I said, they do look better then the "other brand". I belive you know what I'm refuring too. Just some funky stuff I have never seen side facing. However, being as low as you, and adding extra bracing, may need some modifications like that. I don't know your car, so I take your word for it.

I also understand what you mean about how many people will buy headers for their cars. However, it is the most expensive bolt on mod to our engines. Its hard for a average american to come up with that kinda money. However, when installed can give you some of the best gains, and sound. Since mines a daily driver, and somewhat trying to make it for economy, I will prob never buy headers for it.

That did give me a good idea for when I get my exhaust redone on the s10 because the y-pipe is crused from slaming it on the ground. Is after the two pipes meet together, have a mountable flage, so I can change the long pipe for one with cat, and one w/o cat etc.
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 11:40 PM
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AGood2.8 - All I can say is WOW!!! :hail: Those are beautiful!!! I'm saving my money... I support the Pacesetter thing, but the craftsmanship on those things..... I gotta say..... A picture is worth a thousand words.....
Old Jun 29, 2003 | 12:05 AM
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Wow, those look excellent. So i guess Greg finally fabricated that y-pipe. Last time I called to check up on the headers he didnt make a y-pipe yet. I'm in desperate need of a new y-pipe, I got a nice 5 inch split down the pipe. I'm definatly calling monday for those headers. Agood2.8 if i may ask, how was the installation? Did everything fit alright? Can i get a ball park figure of what you paid? Price isn't a problem for me but i'm just curious. I was thinking about going with the mild steel. I know someone up by me who can powdercoat them for a fair price so i'm not real worried that. If you don't wanna post the price you can e-mail me at Mystify49@aol.com . Thanks man.
Old Jun 30, 2003 | 12:29 AM
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Those headers are cleaner than my step-dad's intestines after he eats ham and beans. After seeing yours, I'm going to start saving for my pair of headers and a Y-pipe since a piece of ply-wood in the road dented my Y-pipe, floor board, and oil pan the other day. In case you couldn't tell, it hit HARD.
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glad to hear you like them Dean. Erin i will try to get a hold of you wendsday. Mike i am still working on your headers unfortunately i had them close to being done when i found the flange got drilled wrong so we had to start over.
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glad to hear you like them Dean.
Understatement- I love them. Problem is they look too good that it is hard to restrain myself from putting them on the car right now- My neighbor has offered twice for me to drop the car off at his shop because he wants to install them and ber the first to test drive them- Not a chance- they will wait until I have the new motor completed. I want to marry everything properly and drop in the whole package. I plan to continue the Ram air (custom plenium) project next week- I should have more time then I hope.

As for prices and dimensions- Greg has all of that posted above in the sticky Header post.

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Old Jul 1, 2003 | 11:31 PM
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I'm awaiting to hear the results of how they help power & performance.
I appreciated your help with the Pacesetter missson, also.
Glad the pic is back up, as that is an interesting "Y" pipe design.

PS I'm now looking at the 1995 3.4 F Body "Y" pipe as a replacement for the 1985 S-10 Blazer Factory "Y" pipe.
HInt HInt! Dale, I'll send ya a pic of the 3.4 "Y" Pipe, please remind me!

NO DISCOURAGEMENT for the Street Legal Headers mission at PaceSetter.

I saw a price of the headers for a 2003 Bullit Mustang.
Try $995!
PaceSetter is currently selling the 1993-95 3.4 headers at $350-ish

To Greg, that is superb craftsmanship!
Job well done.
Old Jul 1, 2003 | 11:37 PM
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Wanted to post a Family pic to Greg and thank you from the wife and daugther as well- after all, its their little hotrod, I only drive it ocasionally on weekends.

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Old Jul 1, 2003 | 11:42 PM
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heheh I didnt think you knew how to smile j/k
Old Jul 2, 2003 | 05:25 AM
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Thanks greg. I tried calling monday but someone told me you stepped out and when i called back around 5 no one answered. I get home from work around 4 after you can call f you stilll have my number, or i'll just call I'm excited lol/
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I am glad we all decided to play nice

agood2.8, those are awesome looking, when do you expect to have that other engine done? I wanna see those bad boys bolted to an engine!!
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It depends entirely on how life treats me (how much free time I get in the next several months) I would really like to take it to Thunderfest (Covina Ca. in October- This show is linked to the AAA shootouts at Pomona- Jesse James will be in attendance at the show this years with his own exhibit)and display it for fun- Its a major car show I judge each year here in So. Cal and alot of the big name guys will be there. They are always looking for the rare and exotic to try for their next project.

Please keep in mind that this car runs perfectly fine as is now. I have many other more important obligations in life and this motor is strickly a hobby sideline that I will be tinkering with only in spare time- The motor in the car now only has less than 30,000 on it (A new crate 2.8) I am not in any major hurry, I'm doing this only to take my time and maticulously do things right. Its not like I need to get the car running by next week or something.

Besides, the Vette is COMPLETELY torn down right now and am going through everything getting it in shape for HSR WEST and TCRA fun next year- I have never had a cage in it so I will be fabbing one as well as a new rear 3.56 carrier- the 3.73 maxxed crusing rpm's fairly quickly earlier this year on the front straight of Calif Speedway.

I also have a house that I am constantly upgrading- This takes most of my time and money- I am a Contrator and do everything myself on my own house (I refuse to hire help- Its kindof my trophy thing- to completely customise an entire house with my hands and my hands only- I'm well over half way there.)

Then I Scuba dive occationally when I get a free day or two so I don't completely burn myself out from work- so that and the family take up much time.

Patience- They will get on the car soon enough for me.

Edit: from what I can tell- I am the ONLY GUY that has installed and is "driving on" my HMS custom strut mounts- One other person I have seen has installed his but I dont think his car is road worthy yet. There were 20 sets made and sold. I DO get sh*t done- unlike most who have stuff sit around forever.

Now time for me to go to work and make some money- good day.

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Old Jul 2, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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Yeah, watch out for these petty friggin arguments on thirdgen.org... I got a kick outta how the one guy was saying "I dont care if I get banned"- then why would he even care to argue anything over a computer?

Were the HMS mounts hard to install or somethign?? I thought they'd just be a bolt-in that required an alignment afterwards. I wonder why so many people are sitting on 'em.

Any local exhaust shop that fab'd up headers would do the same thing - weld together segments of piping. If the welds are good, nothing will ever go wrong with 'em. Even more so if the headers are stainless steel- nothing will ever rust. If you guys buy a set that aren't stainless, get them ceramic coated- which will probably equal the extra cost to get stainless in the first place
Old Jul 2, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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the Vette in shape for HSR WEST
Explain, please.
Along with TCRA

NOW
I know all you guys this is SO off topic
but...
A 3:56?
Perhpas a typo?
Maybe 3:36 or 3:55 (3:36s I ordered for my Dad's new 1974. OH THE DAYS OF $12 GEAR RATIO OPTION UPGRADES!!!!!)
And ya mention carrier?
As in Diff Housing?
I was thinking of the same thing due to milage I've accumulated & I've left the inner spindles on so long I feel I may have oblonged the orignal machined hole and "new" bearings wouldn't seal it proper.
It's hard to just toss original dated stuff from your 95% original still 1974 Corvette.
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Yes typo- I meant 3.36's It will give us about another 8-10mph top cruzing speed without comprimising too much torque for the rest of the course.

Right now woth the 3.73's we are lucky to cruise around the bank at 140mph- car will go higher but is just revving too many r's for a good 20-30 seconds. Car is over in pop's garage right now and we are putting a family effort into it- He'd like to see me get back into racing but time & money is hard for me- He's going to help get the car in order- They have the welding equipment there anyways- My oldest brother is involved also(I have 5 brothers- one being my twin)

TCRA and HSR are vintage racing associations- much better than pain in the **** VARA with all their b.s. rules and restrictions. VARA is for old men with no *****.

Edit: oh yes- when I mentioned "carrier" I am refering to the entire housing- this way we can just swap the entire housing rather than doing ring and pinion changes back and forth- makes life easy.

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Old Jul 3, 2003 | 09:35 AM
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THANK YOU!

PS My buddy back east
RACES a SAAB, the early 60's egg shape styled one w/hopped up 750Cc engine I believe.
Colored ORANGE
He does tend to come in last, but gets the biggest cheers from the crowd!
PPS NO funny jokes now, as he's ACTUALLY RACING & YOU AIN'T!

I await the day I get to play on a racetrack again....

Let me see...
1974 Vega Drag Racer
1956 Vintage Corvette Racer.....
YEAH that'd work!

VSRA does put on a good show tho.
I still recall so vividly the first Tustin Thunder & that last turn to straightaway with all the cars come thru it sideways!
I enjoy just about any auto race.
I know, the behind the scenes stuff...

I've only been to 125MPH (by myself @ 5-7 AM Sunday mornings!) so far on the street. I don't believe my "racetrack" is available anymore due to new terrorist observation stuff.
Radio travels pretty fast ya know!
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Old Jul 5, 2003 | 10:31 PM
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Karl, I was at the family shop today working on the Vette and FINALLY remembered to take the digital camara and get some updated pics of it- every picture I have is 10 years old.
Dean
ps I still have those parts for you
More pics here- http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...=363222&page=4:
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so, you still have not said how much you blew on those things...

looking nice is one thing, but spending over 600, which I am sure you did, is well... IMO dumb.

I will say, yes they look good, but not worth what you paid for 'em, at least not in my opinion...

you would have honestly been better off going to an exhaust shop and having them do it for you, it would have been better I bet.

I hope that the Pacesetter thing works out, but if not, I plan on buying one of those Summit weld up header kits, and make a set.
Only have to go to a machine shop(that a freind owns) to have him make me a sert of 1/4" flanges....

Oh, as a side note, I am having to replace a oil pan this monday. Picking up a head for another car next thurs/fri, and I might, MIGHT get that weld up set. Boy, I will finally get a chance to break in my MIG! Anyway, there is a 2.8 on a stand that I can use for mock up, and I might even go as far as to finally break down and get a powerdercoat system and chrome coat them.

Not knocking you by any means, I am just saying that there are deffinately much better things that you could have used that cash for.

And yes, I am expecting to be swapping this "V6" out by winter.
Old Jul 5, 2003 | 11:39 PM
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Man, every time I see those headers I start drooling lol. I talked to Greg and I'm still getting the headers but i gotta get a day off so i can drive up to his shop ad i still gotta figure out why my car occasionally overheats. He's gonna install everything for me and make sure we get the correct fit for the y-pipe. Niether my dad or my boyfriend have the tools to bend the pipe if doesnt fit and there are no exhaust shops around here that will do the work for me.His shop is about 3 and a half hours away from Cleveland so that isn't bad. I hoping i an get up there in 2 weeks. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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so, you still have not said how much you blew on those things...

looking nice is one thing, but spending over 600, which I am sure you did, is well... IMO dumb.

I will say, yes they look good, but not worth what you paid for 'em, at least not in my opinion...

you would have honestly been better off going to an exhaust shop and having them do it for you, it would have been better I bet.

I hope that the Pacesetter thing works out, but if not, I plan on buying one of those Summit weld up header kits, and make a set.
Only have to go to a machine shop(that a freind owns) to have him make me a sert of 1/4" flanges....

Oh, as a side note, I am having to replace a oil pan this monday. Picking up a head for another car next thurs/fri, and I might, MIGHT get that weld up set. Boy, I will finally get a chance to break in my MIG! Anyway, there is a 2.8 on a stand that I can use for mock up, and I might even go as far as to finally break down and get a powerdercoat system and chrome coat them.

Not knocking you by any means, I am just saying that there are deffinately much better things that you could have used that cash for.

And yes, I am expecting to be swapping this "V6" out by winter.
Yeah I see your point- I wouldn't spend that much either if I owned such a piece of sh*t like yours- I mean , come on now- those headers cost more than your entire POS car does. Thanks for the opinion hillbilly.
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NICE 1968!

Yesterday I hooked up ground electrical system to the house fuse panel.
Which has been disconnected for who knows how many years & I'm serious.
I secured the interior wall, also.
I'm heading back today (Sunday 7/6) for the realignment of the interior French doors again.
My worker decided to upset the already aligned doors by installing drywall incorrectly.
I almost commited murder!
I'm awaiting the few moments for the traveling, soon!
Or maybe a escaping scene of crime real quick!

NICE 1968!
Old Jul 6, 2003 | 09:45 AM
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Vette owners you guys go crazzzzy wen one thing is wrong!!! I know my neighbor almost had a hart attack wen he got the wrong size tires for his Vette don't know what year it is but I do know it has a 427 in it :hail:
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I think we all need to chill in this post.

A man DOES NOT have to post how much he payed for something. Obviosuly if he has responed to the post, and made no mention of money, then he dosn't want to say. If you want to know, contact the seller, ask for same options. Or just go to the top of the board, and read the sticky on them. :duh:

Also, this knowing that Agood seems to have a short fuse (sorry, dont know how else to put it) on some things. Also knowing that what you type can EASLY be taken wrong on the internet.

Since he will not be installing them tell he drops a whole new engine in, we wont know the TRUE performance of them because he plans on doing several other mods at same time (more ci, rockers, tb, intake, heads, splash shield, etc) to a NEW engine. Not the one in his car.


As for vette, looks nice. 68 is in the top 5 of my fav years. I'm just not one for decals on the body. To each their own.
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
Yeah I see your point- I wouldn't spend that much either if I owned such a piece of sh*t like yours- I mean , come on now- those headers cost more than your entire POS car does. Thanks for the opinion hillbilly.
No, I have been offered upwards of 3K for my car. And it is by no means a POS. Do I care for it in its current configuration? Not really... nice through the corners, with a "wonder bar and strut bar", and the upgraded anti roll bars, but it lacks something... like in the engine compartment. Granted it does very well top end, but it's just not cutting it anymore.

Where as you spent, 600+ for your "headers" I will spend 265 for my BBC swap headers, and begin building my 402.
When the frame is reinforced, the engine/trans installed, and it is set up how I like it, I will be more then willing to meet you and race. And see whos' car looks and sounds better.

Oh, that 600, would have gotten you a BBC, and a rebuild kit.
Old Jul 6, 2003 | 11:18 AM
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And one last thing, If a person cannot handle the comments of others, maybe they need to learn to grow up and learn how to play with others.
He should have expected comments like mine with that title.

Sorry, but I commented that, yes they look nice, but they are little more then a money pit in my opinion.
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Old Jul 6, 2003 | 12:10 PM
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Sorry, but i see that as you attacking AGood2.8 because he plunked down a wad of cash for an EXTREMELY nice set of custom headers.

You gonna get pissed if someone plunks down a wad of cash for a turbocharged 3.1, boosting around 18-20psi, and outrunning your BBC? And do we even need to get into the weight distribution?


Hey, I'd bet after you meet up and prolly outrun his little 2.8 with your BBC (kinda like a boxer beating on a kid, tho)... that kid would kick your BBC all over the place at Watkins Glen or Laguna Seca...

So in the end, does it really freakin' matter???
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