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Old Sep 14, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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Maximum V6 power

well the cam just went out in the 'bird and with 150k on the clock, its time for a rebuild. my question is, where can i go to get v6 parts? i mean like high comp pistons, cams, etc. i cant do a small block swap because my dad is paying for this, i just want a little more ***** from my midget motor. i did a search but i got nothing.
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Old Sep 14, 2003 | 10:16 PM
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3 POINT 4
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:02 AM
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I agree, go with a 3.4L motor. Buying all the stuff that you want (high comp. pistons, cam, heads, headers) will cost you about the same as doing a small block. If you want something cheap and easy, do the 3.4L.
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:25 AM
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3.4

Quickest/best ways to get power quick from the little engine!
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:35 AM
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mmmm...3.4 Turbo ...with nitrous Would be a pain in the *** to tune though. i don't even know if that's possible. Well, I take that back, anything is possible, given enough time and money, but possible and affordable...no way!!!
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:43 AM
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yes, possible. turbo w/o intercooler, spray to cool charge (sneaky pete), or even water injection.
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 01:25 AM
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ARI Racing Engines in Grandview Missouri has cams, pistons, heads, and even a stroker kit for around $500. www.engine-parts.com is the web site, they should be able to give your six banger some more *****. Also other things are available like MSD Ignition, gears, tranny build-up, light weight components (flywheel, drive shaft, etc.), computer chip (Ed Wright at www.fastchip.com burns a mean chip), there's hundreds of things that will make your car faster (but I don't recommend nitrous).
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 01:54 AM
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ed wont burn any chips if u have bigger injectors he said he hasnt messed with the fuel tables and flow constants....
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 03:09 AM
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Jesus.. then what's even the point of a new chip??

Anywho...
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 04:32 AM
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you will have to go through kc speed.... although other companys might be able to do it... but ireally takes time not just a guess, on what u need....
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 11:10 AM
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well i would go with a 3,4 but like i say, my dad is paying for this and he wants to keep the stock 3.1 block. thats why im pretty much limited to pistons, cam and head work. by the way, how big of a pair of valves and i stuff into those chambers on the v6 heads? maybe some borrowed 350 valves would work? ideas???


also kinda off topic, but who do you think has the baddest v6 on TGO? a few people ive seen with 3.4 turbos....
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 11:37 AM
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th block on the two motors is exactly the same. After you put in the 3.4 block and heads, all of the intake and exhaust components that you have mow will just pop right on. It's definitly the way to go unless you have a sentimental attachment to the motor that's in there right now.
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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Baddest 6 on TGO?

Don't know... I think my '88 should get racked up there (Only turbo 6 on these boards)

There's also a couple guys running 75 shots on 3.1s... probably faster than me (gotta nail 8 psi)

Not sure... who's fastest on here? Wednesday I'll have new times...
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Baddest 6 on TGO?

Don't know... I think my '88 should get racked up there (Only turbo 6 on these boards)

There's also a couple guys running 75 shots on 3.1s... probably faster than me (gotta nail 8 psi)

Not sure... who's fastest on here? Wednesday I'll have new times...
You ever seen that guy who run his stock 4 cylinder van at like 21 psi boost with 6 fuel injectors???


Id have to look for it but anyways he just rigged up extra injectors in the TB hose for more fuel when needed.
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Baddest 6 on TGO?

Don't know... I think my '88 should get racked up there (Only turbo 6 on these boards)
Only turbo 6 in a 3rd gen, but I also have a turbo V6, it's just in my Jimmy.

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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 07:35 AM
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Ya if it is time for a new motor get a 3.4 and have the following done to it:

1. Pace Setter Headers for the 3.4
2. Forged pistons so you can spray a 75-90 shot of nitrous

Enjoy a 14 second to high 14 second 1/4 after that..
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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 07:27 PM
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the pacesetter headers will not fit in our cars. They angle too far back and hit the firewall. We are actually working on getting pacesetter to make a set designed to fit in our engine bay's though. They will fit any 2.8/3.1/3.4L motor I think.
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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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if you rebuild that engine, or do a 3.4L swap, use the forged internals and run waaaay more than a 75-90 hp shot, since a stock motor should hold 100 w/o a proble, run that 150 shot, run low-mid 14's put some gears in , get great gas millage (lol, we don't get that) and stomp a lot of stock rides. best of both worlds i guess,
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 05:48 PM
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If I were in your shoes I would hurry up and buy oversize l249f trw forged pistons for the 2.8 , overbore it, add a crane 272 cam from paw, have the heads rebuilt , find a decent set of headers. You have to hurry on the l249f's they were just discontinued by trw/ speed pro and I know I got the last set from PAW, Parts america may still have a couple sets , check online. And run just a 100 shot , no more. Paw still carries a good moly ring set for the 2.8 , speed pro has discontinued their ductile plasma moly ring set (file fit) and total seal wants big bucks for a set made of ductile iron. Stick with the 2.8. This is a low low cost option that will out run a 3.4 dollor per dollor , the 3.4 pistons dont like nitrous nor do the 3.1 pistons.
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 10:17 PM
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The 3.4's maybe... but the 3.1s? They're just 2.8 pistons with a different rod pin offset. You can pick them up in hypers, or forged.
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 12:51 PM
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Actually the 3.1 are the weakest pistons of them all, they have a dish top with a very thing area between the top ring land and the edge of the piston dish. Very easy to blow out at that intersection. The 3.4 are stronger but have a thin deck. The 2.8 slugs are by far the strongest. And by forgings , the l249f can be had for $250 and under , whereas the 3.1 and 3.4 forgings are a custom job.
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Old Sep 21, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Gumby
You ever seen that guy who run his stock 4 cylinder van at like 21 psi boost with 6 fuel injectors???


Id have to look for it but anyways he just rigged up extra injectors in the TB hose for more fuel when needed.

Prolly thinking of the late Gus Mahon (wonderful guy, taken too soon...). That van was a bit far from stock, but still bad ***. 91 Caravan if I remember correctly, and aside from the slicks it looked bone stock from the outside. Also had a 12.25 second K car. There's an awesome video floating around on the internet somewhere of him slaughtering a Supra. In the back ground you can hear people heckling him at the staring line for pulling up in a K car. Its hilarious.
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Old Sep 21, 2003 | 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by asylist
Prolly thinking of the late Gus Mahon (wonderful guy, taken too soon...). That van was a bit far from stock, but still bad ***. 91 Caravan if I remember correctly, and aside from the slicks it looked bone stock from the outside. Also had a 12.25 second K car. There's an awesome video floating around on the internet somewhere of him slaughtering a Supra. In the back ground you can hear people heckling him at the staring line for pulling up in a K car. Its hilarious.
haha, yeah i saw that K-Car video, it was funny. IIRC he got it into the 10's in a different video.

edit: found the site, http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html

heres the one where he spanks the supra: http://www.thedodgegarage.com/video/...supra_long.zip

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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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Old Sep 24, 2003 | 10:29 PM
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Ahh... you don't count. You're not a 60 degree!! But then.. he didn't specify.

What are you running, fly? 1/4 mile wise... wondering what it woudl take to catch you... probably more than a 10psi 16g.
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Old Sep 25, 2003 | 05:41 AM
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Ahh... you don't count. You're not a 60 degree!! But then.. he didn't specify.

What are you running, fly? 1/4 mile wise... wondering what it woudl take to catch you... probably more than a 10psi 16g.
not sure yet, had problems with the motor before I could run it the first time it was in

Going for high 11's/low 12's on pump gas,after that mid 11's on alchy. I have the turbo to do it, just gotta get everything else set up
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