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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 08:14 PM
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can't cherp the tires

hey guy's i was trying to do a burn out @ school and i didn't even get a little chrip and when i race from a stop i lose even against my buddies 2.8 bird. with 323 000km on it, but on the high-way i have no problem buring the needle past 140km, i think it's the original shock's in the back & **** struts up front , i need some help so i can beat the hachback r*cer's pleas help thanks

ps it's an '85 2.8 252 000km with rebuilt tranny 346 km ago and massive air dam, i forgot i even have a fan


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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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Two wide of tires


My 3.1 when it had 177,xxx miles on it, bad shocks, bad exhaust, fubar tranny mount and bad motor mount would still bark a tire.
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 08:44 PM
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tire's arn't a problem stock 14" rallye wheel's i should be doing burnouts by putting it in gear withthose tires
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by firechicken_-54
tire's arn't a problem stock 14" rallye wheel's i should be doing burnouts by putting it in gear withthose tires
Hm, I think he means, how wide are the tires. Mine are all P235's instead of the narrower 215's or even the 205's that a lot of guys run on these cars.

Mine are basically wide enough to where the amount of torque that the little engine does won't even chirp them, but it will spin them really quick when it's wet on the road.

Heheh, in fact, I one of my friends with an old 67 Stang has just P195's on the thing and his running his just rebuilt 302... yet that's a bit much for 195's, but they spin nicely.

If your not that concerned about the rear breaks or the life of the transmission, just lightly break with your left foot and give it some gas really quick on the right, that'll break at least one tire loose. Unless... mmmm posi.

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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 06:42 AM
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thnas for the reply guys, i'm gonna try it today since its raining up here, hopefully i won't get caught in the hurricain lol

later
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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u should be able to do a burn out with a 2.8 i could with my old one, but getting her to spin from a stop going WOT was next to impossible without water. if u wanna show off u need a 350.
anyway make a custom CAI its cheap and easy> do a search i am sure u will find out how to do this. also change out the wires and plugs>do a tune up it should help. u could put skinny lil back tires but then your car will look stupid. also anyone can spin in the rain. if your goal is to beat the lil hondas it is possible depending on the hondas mods>> just start modding, the exhaust would be the best place to start. or u could spray.
what ever u do DONT NUTRAL DROP!!!!!!!!! lots of kids think this is the best way to show off when they cant spin there tires, u could do alot of damage that way.
good luck
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 11:39 AM
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if its an automatic, get a shiftkit, that helps alot.
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 01:42 PM
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note to self: when you do a burnout, other people look at you and think "what an ***"- Its not a cool looking as you think it my be.
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 02:04 PM
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Unless it's at the track, in the burnout box
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 02:11 PM
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i have 235-60-15 on ther rear and i always chirp like crazy from 1st to 2nd.
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 04:49 PM
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Dude seriously do tomPs tune up. My car couldnt spin em when i got her but i did the biggest holeshot by just punching it today .. car rear was outta control and everything it almost shot for the woods and i smoked out my schools parkin lot. It (the tuneup) does wonders
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 06:11 PM
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icebird_1981- there's no chance in hell of me doing a nutreal drop. and i'm gonna get my dad to do the timing for me,
all the ignition is new but all OEM ad the chain is a tad streched but other than that i it runs great, i brought it up to my cottage 6 times thats 453km round trip no problems other than the overly loud injectors. i get 720-811 km to a tank on th highway, ahh well at least it's good on gas.

ps thanks for all the replies
later
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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I've got a simialar problem I even have a 3.4 in my 3rd gen. I can spin like crazy in reverse. but off the start its so hard to make it spin unless I'm almost outta gas. When i take the smallest turn they spin like crazy to. All new plugs and wires and single platnum plugs. When I punch it, it will hesistate a little bit. then move like }{e|| but no spin as if I had traction bars.. I have walmart brand performace tires 215/65/15 (douglass Preformance GT-H) just junky front tires 205/60/15. I even advanced my Timing just a tad. I have a vacume problem that will be fixed in a few days could that be the cause.... I don't know what kinda pig unit I have. Both tires start out then it kick into one or the other.. I know its some sorta limited slip.
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by F-Bodeee
i have 235-60-15 on ther rear and i always chirp like crazy from 1st to 2nd.
Heh, my trans is in need of some new stuff in it. Basically, other than my changing of the trans fluid and the filter once a year (I drive the car usually 6k a year mostly highway miles), it has never been serviced and is running @ 140k/miles. So, when it shifts from 1st to 2nd, and 3rd to 4th, it's never a 'quick' fast shift, mostly a momentary pause unless I'm flooring it (where there still is sometimes a slow pause). The pause is very very breif, but long enough to where you know it won't even chirp them. Oh well, can't complain for something that I've had since 68k the past 7 years and not had the trans blow on me.

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Old Sep 30, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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i've got 245-60-15's on my 91 and it'll leave a pair of signatures on the road (especially if i brake torque it) and these tires are quite a bit bigger than most on here run
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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by badandy247
i've got 245-60-15's on my 91 and it'll leave a pair of signatures on the road (especially if i brake torque it) and these tires are quite a bit bigger than most on here run
You also have a bigger engine and if I remember right, the newer trans. I'm pretty sure my main problem is due to the trans and it never being serviced in it's 141k/mile life.



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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 05:59 AM
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The slush box would be the cause of most peoples problems.
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Old Oct 2, 2003 | 01:48 AM
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Slush Box????
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Old Oct 2, 2003 | 10:05 AM
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ya they always spin more in revers someting with the gears its higher in revers.
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Old Oct 2, 2003 | 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by nadster
You also have a bigger engine and if I remember right, the newer trans. I'm pretty sure my main problem is due to the trans and it never being serviced in it's 141k/mile life.



-Dan
it's a 3.1 liter the trans is newer but still ****ty but tomp's ultimate tune up really brings out the lost power (or lack thereof ) in the little v-6's

almost forgot got 150,000 mi on the odometer
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Old Oct 2, 2003 | 07:01 PM
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Don't feel to bad, I can't chirp my tires either. I could barely do it when I had the 215s. Of course I can chirp my 245s when it is wet, on a corner, on a country road (contains bits of loose gravel), or going from a stop uphill.
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Old Oct 2, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by 87CamaroMan
Slush Box????
An auto trans is a slush box.
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Old Oct 3, 2003 | 12:13 AM
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Oh I get it... lol
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Old Oct 3, 2003 | 09:05 PM
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The reverse burnout thing, btw.. that's easy to answer: Aren't you glad your car isn't front-wheel drive?

Weight transfer, folks. I can nail my v8 when in reverse and go nowhere.
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Old Oct 5, 2003 | 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by badandy247
tomp's ultimate tune up really brings out the lost power (or lack thereof ) in the little v-6's

almost forgot got 150,000 mi on the odometer
Yah, TomP's tuneup is nothing new to my car. I'm just saying, my trans is one that likes to pause longer than it should when shifting so I'm thinking either the torque converter is balloned a bit or the whole thing (transmission) is just on it's way out. Only other thing I can think of is, what do alot of you run your tire psi at. I run 30 in the front and about 32 in the rear. The tires say MAX 35PSI cold, but I'm not a huge fan of putting that much in, I figure it helps wear the center of the tire out faster... but I could be wrong too. *shrug*

note: running new cables (MSD 8.8's), rotor, cap, plugs, (thinking about it, I havn't replaced the module, would that make a diff?), new o2 sensor, year and a half old MAF, K&N's with rain ducts cut below (I don't drive when it rains, so not much since I live in seattle), replaced all the fluids according to how many miles. Rear axle fluid about 2k ago, oil about 800 miles ago, trans fluid about two months ago with a new filter (thinking that might help it, but not much of a difference from what I can tell), and that's about it. Not that it matters but I did the breaks both front and rear about 15k ago, and rebled them about 3k ago.

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Old Oct 5, 2003 | 05:24 PM
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the max air pressure on a tire is set specifically not to run the centers bald but you should always pay more attention to the manufactures specs than the tire specs go by the ones in your door jamb
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Old Oct 5, 2003 | 06:14 PM
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It depends on the tire but if it says max 35psi on the side, then that is the max.

In my door jams it says my 86 bird should have 30 psi all around.
My twice as heavy wagon is 26 front 32 rear.

It would help if they had a min psi also.

My bird tires happen to be a 35-52 psi max range for only usa and canada. which would mean that even up to 52 psi my tires will not bulge out of shape and still run flat.

I assume most min ratings would be when the tire falls off the rim. It only takes 7-10 psi to set the beed.

Matt
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