The point I was trying to make, is the IrocZ's usually have better suspension than a normal RS 305 TBI car.

 

the standard engine in the IROC was:
85-87 LG4
88-89 305 TBI

YES I SAID TBI NOT tpi

in 1990 the 305 TPI became standard

 

well, i dont want to get myself misunderstood.............

if you can squeeze performance out of a 660
all the more power to you

theres nothing wrong with it


i just want people to realize that:

its not going to be cheap

its hard to do

it may not be reliable

gas mileage isnt that much better (even if it is) than an 8

 

Exactly...

After some point, the I am gonna be different argument is just sad. If you are rich and bored, go for it. If you live on a budget, get a 350.

 

you put that very well dennis

 

Just drop it. You know the saying to each his own. Any Woman or Man here in the USA or our north of the border freinds are free to mod what they choose(thankfully). If you like to talk v8's go to the v8 section.

 

Yep. Everyone's free to do their own thing

 

Seriously.. WTF is up with you V8 guys always riding up on a high horse like you're better than the V6 guys? Get a reality check, folks.. some people are happy with what they got, and they're not going to be jealous over your V8. Yer acting worse than freakin Jahova's Witnesses... and I mean that. I'd rather have them at my door than you guys. Even if they drive up in a mustang.

 

I'm actually pretty glad I didn't swap to a V8 now.

I like the list of misconceptions:

"It's not going to be cheap"

Well, last I checked I have around $2000 CDN into my build/swap, somewhere around $1200 to $1500 US, depending on the day. Same could be said about V8s.

"It's hard to do"

Only if you make it that way, I know people that have harder times with V8s than I do with V6s.

"It may not be reliable"

Again, only if you make it that way, done right, any engine can either be reliable or unreliable, this is where research, prep and proper assembly techniques come in, same thing applies to V8s.

"Gas milage may not be better"

I think a lot of this has to do with the person driving and the tune of the engine, including the programming, same thing applies to V8s.

1991teal. I only quoted you because it was easiest, but it seems that a lot of V8 guys are under the same misconceptions.

Oh well, it's all fun and games.

 

Alot of people on this board don't listen very well. Too worried about our cars being faster I guess. lol j/k

I had a 91 V6 Firebird and two 86 Fieros with a 2.8. They were underpowered. I am not a V8 guy coming here to bash, I was answering the original question, until everyone got defensive.

It is still true that you get more bang for your buck swapping in a 350. With a fiero its cheaper to do a 3800SC, with a camaro that isn't true.

 

3800SC in a fiero.. *giggle*..*giggle*..*BIG FREAKIN GRIN*...*evil giggle*

 

they werent misconceptions since i owned a V6 once and everything i said was true

i'm done
-later

 

I didn't even notice till now that half the 'Get a V8' crap in this was coming from a MODERATOR... that's even worse. Moderators are supposed to understand that the 'Get a V8' argument is UNWELCOME in the V6 forum, and it will remain unwelcome until the day one of us sees a sign that reads "Fully built SBC 383 FREE with oil change! Includes TPIS Miniram, AFR 195 heads, All Forged Internals. Multiple Valve-train combinations available. ---- Fully built T-56 FREE with transmission flush!" That's the day I'd ditch the 6 .. get picture? Thanks for your time.

 

hes not a very good moderator.

He's letting his ******* Hick characteristics show through, because all rednecks KNOW that V8's are the BEST motor in the world, they are the fastest and most fuel effecient, and they also weigh less than ALL other motors because they are the BEST.

Like ive said before, ive seen 4 bangers that would put his Hick *** to shame... on pump gas.

 

And now we're reduced to name calling?

Jesus freaking Christ people. Different strokes for different folks. I know I've gotten into a BILLION arguements, every time I see a pre '81 Pontiac with a Chevy 350 in it. PMD all the way!

I think all he's saying, is that if you're looking for a fast car (and sorry, a 14 second car is NOT fast) then going V6 is sorta running backward.

The Fiero arguement really has no place here. This is Thirdgen.org's V6 forum. We're discussing Fbody V6s here. Hence why -
Vortex and I are working on a Turbo 16g 3.1
TechSmurf has a K26 Turbo in the works
Funstick and Greg are working on a Turbo 3.4
AGood2.8 has the baddest *** suspension setup I've yet seen
AM91_Camaro is busting rear to get his highly built 3.1 into the 14s - and thinking of supercharging it
614Streets has a roots blown 2.8
Lee7 is working on a bulletproof V6 of his own.

Why are we all insisting on building the V6? Maybe because POWER isn't everything. It's Power vs Weight, and Weight happens to be something the V6 has as a 'strength'.

We're just playing on the V6's strengths, and attempting to overcome their weaknesses.

 

wow, im a v6 and v8 owner. and i have been reading and participating in this thread for awhile. its like watching a really good soap opera. but i think finallly after like 3 pages doward finally hit the nail on the head. yes, the v6 is not a performance engine. thats why we do what we do. we use its strengths to overcome its weaknesses. nicely said doward.

 

SO you're basing your entire opinion on all V6s (let's talk 660s here, though) on your ONE V6 that you owned? Did you do anything to it to improve on it's power potential? If you did, are you sure it was maximized (tuned)? Are you sure there was better parts/products that could have been utilized?

Everything that you said may be true in your eyes, but to those of us that know better, we will continue to modify the V6s.

I know there is way more potential in these engines, it just has to be found, and utilized. In a lot of cases it has been found, but there is still IMO more, and that's where I'm going with my next build, pretty much a maximum effort build that will outhandle, out accelerate and just plainly outperform a similarly equiped/designed V8 vehicle.

I just hope that I can actually make it to the track this year, always seems that something comes up, usually weather latley, but I will get to the track, I want to get a time slip for this build.

 

And Doward doesn't even mention my car in his list.

 

There are people running low 12's with that setup. There are people with big blocks in those cars. Might want to look before you speak.

 

Speaking of the 3800SC, that would make a worthwhile V6 project. That would be truly different. How about a 3.4TDC motor, or even a Shortstar. That would impress V8 owners.