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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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Washer Motor

I know this is probably not the place to post this but i will ask it anyways. My window washer pump has gone out and i am going to replace it. The only problem is i dont know where the washer pump is. If anybody could help me out here it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 02:52 PM
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part of the windshield wiper motor assy.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Depends on the year, I think 88 was the first year to have the in tank assembly, (in front of the washer fluid tank) so yours is where Project says it is. If it died, you should retrofit to the newer type. Our project car had the old kind and it was pretty easy to change it over to the new style. Just get the new tank & motor from the yard.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 04:16 PM
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88 was the changeover year? Thanks! I gotta get one.

The stupid motor has a metal shaft that spins a PLASTIC gear. Over time, the metal shaft strips out of the center of the plastic impeller, and that means the motor works "whirrrr!" but no fluid moves thru the pump.

I'm on my 3rd. Last time I bought one was 1997. I've been going 5 years w/out a pump. I think the pump-in-tank system's better b/c the pump doesn't have to pull water "up" thru a tube- the water's always right there, so the impeller stays "lubricated", as opposed to running dry and stripping out.

Be careful with the clip at the washer motor; there's a small u-shaped clip that keeps the pump pushed up. Remove the clip and yank down and you get the pump out. But... on my first replacement, I snapped the damn plastic nub that the clip holds onto. I've always had a large cotter pin wedged in there to keep the pumps up.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by TomP
the motor works "whirrrr!" but no fluid moves thru the pump.
So thats what that is. Mine stopped working this year but it whirrrr's like no tomorrow.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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Yeah, it's that damn motor in lousy wiper motor housing blues!
I have wire wrapped around my motor cause of the cracked clip.
Atleast I finally got my wiper/washer set up to cooperate well.
Wish I could upgrade to the tank & motor design. Sounds as if more efficent & stronger operating spray.
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 02:53 AM
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Karl go to Pick a part one of these days and buy the in tank motor & tank with the connector and leave about 1 ft of wire on it. Gut your old pump and run the wire from the two contacts inside to the new tank motor and extend your washer lines to connect to the old ones and VOILA.

We did this on the T/A, that thing will spray people in the bike lane on Rinaldi!

OH and TomP, I was just browsing on CarDomain, I believe 88 is the changeover year, because I looked at an 87 and it still had the tube coming out of the cap and the 88 had the same one I have.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:35 AM
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Karl go to Pick a part one of these days and buy the in tank motor & tank with the connector and leave about 1 ft of wire on it. Gut your old pump and run the wire from the two contacts inside to the new tank motor and extend your washer lines to connect to the old ones and VOILA.

I see that college education is paying off!
THANKS!!!
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 01:36 AM
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No spray

Wow, thats interesting, I've been working on mine for awhile and it still doesn't work. I think I'll retro fit it. My washer pump works, but doesn't spray! Pisses me off....

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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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It's not a difficult fix at all.
Simply start replacing hoses.
In the end, test the whole hoses system by swallowing some water & blowing water (washer motor off) thru the hose to clear the jets on windshield. One also uses a "sewing needle" to clear out the jets, too.
The washer motor is a puller motor (sucks the water). This system does take a bit longer to prime than.....
Also make sure the tank is "clean" of particles that clog the end screen.
Think this system is bad, try restoring the older washer pump motors (60's/70's GM rides) activated by motion of the wiper motor. Now that's a challenge. Then try to find good rubber diaphrams while you're at it, plus the end nipples of the washer assembly loves to "crack" as ya replace the hoses, too.
This F Body windshield washer design is a dream to "restore".
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