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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 07:21 PM
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Another far fetched idea

I was going through an electronics surplus magazine that was sent to my house earlier, and noticed a 486 cfm blower....I think you see where this is going...with two that would be an added 960 cfm of air being pushed into the intake, thats a lot of air. With the sensors properly placed, would the car be able to accomodate that kind of air load without changing injectors and computer stuff and such?

Maybe I am wrong about how much air our cars can flow, but wouldn't this kind of add on make a pretty big SOTP difference. For $50 a pump, I think its something that would be worth checking out if the physics work out. These pumps are also great sized since they would fit between the engine and radiator quite nicely.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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they flow that cfm....through what size tubing/pipe? that's the first thing to look at. then, how much power do they require? how much load will they cause your alternator to put on the engine? how much does the whole 'pump' weigh? i don't really think it'd work to good but, find out the above info and you MIGHT be onto something.

PS 486 cfm, if through a 2.5" - 3" pipe, would (i think) be plenty to put you to the "boost" side of things. not much boost, but boost at that.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 08:06 PM
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Here's the one, it is 436 cfm, not 486, but even so....Surplus blower

I thought it was a little smaller than it is, so it would definately be tight, bit I think It just might fit.

Also what would be cool and very stealthy would be to just put it/they underneath the filters (dual snorkel set-up) but I don't think it/they would fit very well

Come to think of it, you might be able to just bolt them right on to the frame pointed towards the TB.

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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 08:13 PM
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22.5 amps

Weights 7lbs

Might be worth something to play with if you got time and cash.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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I'm wondering if the 436 cfm will be enough, or would 2 be needed?

How will the battery and alt handle that kind of pull?
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 09:34 PM
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i think the TB flows a max of like 330 cfm N/A. so, over 400 cfm would be "boost"...if you tried 2 of these, you might make enough "boost" to call it that. however, you've got a lot more load on the electrical system. 22.5 amps doesn't seem like it'd be too much load but i don't really know...make sure you've got a good battery! i agree...if you've got time and the money, i'd try it.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 11:33 PM
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From product specifications found at above link:
436 CFM @ open flow, 22.5 Amps
100 CFM @ 2.6 in. water, 12 Amps
2.8 in. water max. pressure, 10 Amps

From www.onlineconversion.com:
2.8 inch of water [4 °C] = 0.1011564 pound-force/square inch (PSI)

methinks you need to look at other fan options.. though it is nice of them to list max pressure...
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 11:44 PM
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the thing with fans, is they are "static" tools. Once the air is at 1 psi, there is nothing more going in. It backs up, and the fan "stalls" as it just does not have the mechanical force to build anything past atmospheric pressure.

The only capible would be a "squirrl cage" blower, and they cost $$$ and have a huge elerical draw, and you will only get 2-2.5 PSI
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 11:46 PM
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I am into watercooling the PC, I know about fans. I am going SC because it can push more force through my radiator.

You might be able to get a leaf blower to work... but the sound would be horrendous and the gains negilible.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by V6sucker
The only capible would be a "squirrl cage" blower, and they cost $$$ and have a huge elerical draw, and you will only get 2-2.5 PSI
Above PSI is *for* a squirrel cage... they're 2-2.5 inches of water, which translates to PSI as the yen translates to the US dollar.
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Old Feb 22, 2004 | 11:58 PM
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hey man, looking at the rectangle outlets on that blower...adapt 2 of those straight to a cut out dual snorkel intake, underneath. even 100cfm off of each, blowing through the filters, then compressing into a 3" pipe to the TB....that would pick up velocity and would definately be forced into the intake. i think, after looking at that site, if i were to try it, i'd only try it with two of them. could possibly be made to do something for ya though.
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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 08:39 AM
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Not enough pressure (airflow is only ONE part of the equation!) to make it worth while, unless you had a LOT of time, and got them SUPER cheap!
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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 09:23 AM
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The pressure they can create is a very big key in getting boost in your manifold. If you have enough time to wait and don't mind waiting, I might be able to help you decide if they are going to be worth the money or not. I picked up a couple of Nidec 350cfm fans for really cheap that *should* fit under the filters in my dual snorkel. I haven't had a chance to put them in yet because my car is sadly in Maine, and I'm stuck in Virginia for another 3 weeks. As I recall, the max pressure is approximately the same as what you're looking at. I don't expect much gain because that's not a lot of pressure, but might help just a little. I'd be willing to bet that $50 a pump is going to be way too much for the small amount of gain and effort trying to install them.
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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 10:16 AM
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Well, I did say it was far fetched...
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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 12:05 PM
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I mean, if you want to pay 50 bucks each/100 bucks total for .1 PSI of boost, have at it.. I'll stick to my 6+ psi for the same price tag.
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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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well .1 boost is hardly enough to waste my time on. How did you get a turbo system set up for $100 Smurf.
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