Techsmurf, I'm sure this is gonna get deleted, but I have got to get this off my chest....

Most of the V6'ers I know personally are really cool. I'd say a good 95% of the guys on here are here to learn about their ride, maybe get some more pep out of it, but I can't think of a single person here that, as some have said, 'live in a fantasy world'.

Our V6's aren't (by ANY means) the most powerful, or the best platform (from an aftermarket POV) to build from, but you know what? Some of us like to see something different. Some of us (myself included here) have just gotten some sweet deals on some parts, and went ahead and applied those deals and ideas to our neglected V6.

Nobody here can say that they think the 60º V6 is ***'s gift to the automotive world, but quite a few of us think that maybe they aren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Not a single person on this board can say "Yeah, my 2.8 is fast", and if they do, well - they've got a lot to learn.

We V6'ers really need to stick together. Ask your average Joe about your motor, and he's going to say to throw it away. If you're just looking to get from point A to point B, it's a great motor. TomP and others can attest to the fact the 2.8 can live a good while, if you don't beat on it.

For those of you that have gone on to the ranks of V8, congratulations! We all know you will enjoy your vehicle immensely more than when you had your V6, but is it really necessary to start bashing the V6 guys? And yes, claiming they live in a fantasy world is a 'bash'.

Honestly, I expected better - A v8 guy, but knows the strong/weak points of the v6 vehicle, should have no problem using the best of both worlds.

In closing, what's going on? I see more V6 bashing now, than ever. V8 or V6, it's still the same rules as always -

Run what ya brung, and hope ya brung enough!

The ecu is done, works great... pics of the modified 'Tuner ECU' coming tonight. Tomorrow is track day... let's see if I get the tune good enough by then!

 

im with you on that. i have noticed a lot more lately too. they come in here just to make fun of us, and what for? to get kicks out of it. its crap. we dont go in there and talk crap if our V6 is faster than their 305. if we want our V6, let us have it and be glad we dont drive a honda w/ a fartcan and a ton of "fast" dragon stickers.

 

I never owned a V6 f-car but I do respect the work and R&D you guys put into them. Seriously, it could be worse... you guys could be out there trying to make Geo Metro's fast

Doward I really applaud you for your efforts and hope all goes well with the mean six you got going on.

 

Huh? I beat on mine regularly! Of course I keep up with the maintenance, as you all know!

If someone comes in here and says their 2.8 will beat a supercharged 350, they're wrong... but we shouldn't jump on them. I mean, think about their situations... if someone just got their first car, or their previous car was a 1972 crap-brown Corolla, of course their "new" V6 F-body will seem super-fast. Hell even if I get a rental car for a day, when I get back into my Firebird, my Firebird seems like it's got a jet engine!

Some guys do think their V6 is quicker than a 305... and it might be- if the V6 is tuned up, and the 305 is running like crap. That's why I always yell "do the major tuneup" when someone wants more power. When I raced, I used to beat V8 cars- but the owners of those V8 cars couldn't tell a camshaft from a driveshaft- and their engines ran like crap. If I raced a guy that actually knew how to change his own oil, I'd lose.

Note, too, that I said "quicker" than a 305. Quick and Fast are two different things. "Fast" means high-speed. Someone with a V6 might beat a V8 car in an illegal street race on the freeway, but that has nothing to do with engine size, it has to do with risking innocent people's lives in a high-speed chase. "Quick" means which car was the winner off a 1/4 mile or stoplight drag. So we've gotta figure out what someone means by "my v6 is fast"- do they mean fast or quick?

Personally I'd rather hear about legal 1/4 mile races than an illegal high-speed chase down a freeway. Even that 1972 Corolla could win a freeway race, b/c maybe a family's minivan pulled out in front of the speeding f-body- and hopefully the family wasn't hurt.

And, haha, technically... a V6 and 305 V8 and 350 V8 may all be just as fast because of the speed limiters built into some ECM computer chips! Note that I said "just as fast", not "just as quick".

But I agree 100% with what Doward & DrDave88 said. We all own f-bodies here, regardless of what motor's in them. If someone's happy with their f-body, what's wrong with that?

 

I guess you guys are right, at least you are not driving crx's

And honestly with the exception of the formula i would never buy a v8 firebird (unless it was a sc ) because of the nasty looking gfx. I love the look of the standard firebird.


Sometimes i do go to far and as i have been told, im good at walking the fine line.

But what started out as me joking in that thread got out of hand and even when i tried to give an example about motor a not being able to spin its tires with way more tq then motor b i got stupid comments back from other members (non that have posted in this thread so far)

ALSO Tom and Doward you what you just said about the v6's being fast and a v8 beating a v6. I have said that before also BUT it seems to me that because i now have a v8 SOME people take it the wrong way or maybe I word it incorrectly. I dont know, all i know is If you do a search of all my posts (alot for the short time i have had this screen name) Im sure you'll find some that i had a conflict with someone, but i bet for every one of those posts you'll find 10 or 20 that i tried to help someone or contribute some information or even asked for help. My main thing was people who make comments about beatting a v8 or something simular and as soon as I respond with anything its taken as im picking on a v6er. ( sometimes i may go too far )
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Not a single person on this board can say "Yeah, my 2.8 is fast", and if they do, well - they've got a lot to learn.
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I have seen people on here say exactly this!!!



Also maybe its good that this thread was made so everyone could post how they see the situation.

BTW even though i dont own a v6 anymore i still post mainly in this section.

 

Yeah i agree to that. Our car are great commuters, and also do have the performance aspect there if you want it. They are also a little lighter then the 8, so maybe it could beat it. But the main thing is keeping safe like TomP had said and keep the f-body generation alive. Enjoy your cars.

 

Why are you on probation? br()bert?

 

Never had a problem with the v6 myself. just my own v6 that was having idle surges. Never told anyone to swap a v8 in either, but i'd be more than happy to help with information on doing it . It seems its always the same people who do the v6 bashing though.

I think what some of you guys are getting out of these engines is amazing.

 

I think TomP said it best, the difference between fast and quick. My 3.4, even in it's eletrical fit stae of being, could be fast, just not quick.It's like going to all the V8 forums & say yeah, you're not fast I know/have seen so & so that's faster. Keep trying but why since you'll never be as fast. Saying that a 60* V6 powered car isn't all that isdn't going to get you that far in this forum. We all know the "obvious" limitations on the motors, by bring people dpown when they want to improve upon "manufacturers design". Constructive criticism is best recieved, and advice taken more seriously. We're ll here for the same reason, so.....(here it comes).. Why caint we all jsut get along?

 

It might be possible to beat a v8 with a 60* v6. Look at the turd lg4.



Im on probation for a bunch of jokes I made on a thread that was edited later. And for what i said in responce to someone who called me a PITA , although i bet NOTHING was said to that person. AND i might add i did not just post negative comments i added mo and why i thought what i thought.

Really doesnt mean squat anyway. I cant edit my posts and i cant post pics. Oh well i guess ill have to use one of my other 4 user names

Back to the v6. When i got my car my v6 was ok, wasnt all mighty powerful but it got me from point a to point b, But it quickly gave me problem after problem. Lost most of the power it did have fast too. Its probably the prev owners fault though because i ALWAYS tuned the car up and never beat on it really. Damn motor had 110k on it when i took it out, thats pathetic that it died like that when you see people with close to 300k on their 2.8's.

 

Also (sorry i would have edited the post but my probation officer wont let me )

I was going to go with the 3.4 swap if you all remember?

Yeah Tom said it right, i could get my 2.8 to bring the speedo needle back around on the highway so i guess it was quick in that aspect.

 

As owner of a V6 and a V8 Firebird (see avatar information sidebar thingy-bopper for details) I enjoy the loads of torque the V8 can generate, but I also enjoy being able to hear the world go by when I'm driving my V6 car around, and it just plain appeals to me, and I hope to get numerous miles on it without too much hassle. I haven't been on the boards long, I don't know it all, and I always learn something everytime I log in here. Sometimes it's only how petty some people are, but hey, I still learned something! I've received a lot of good technical information off of many people here, and us Hawaiians (even though I'm as white as can be, I just live here) finally got our own little spot to hang out at so we could help one another out as the need arises. So, I will continue to come here, sifting through the stuff to find the nuggets of truth and honest advice, until I am able to give out my own nuggets of truth and honest advice back to those who need it.

Some poeple have realized that it is easier to tear down one another rather to build another person up. To them, I say that the rewards for building up is far greater than tearing down.