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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 04:34 PM
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Intercooled Intake

has anyone ever tried intercooling your NON-turboed intake? if not will the intercooler not flow enough for the engine to suck in air?
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 04:54 PM
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Interesting but a treuc cold air / ram air can do the same. It really hard to get it cooler than air temp. Though a car that suck hot uder hood air would see some lower temps.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 12:20 AM
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do you think the motor will suck hard enough too pull air through the intercooler though?
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 12:46 AM
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I'd have to think that putting an intercooler on a non-turbo car MAY have the ability to cool the air. At the same time, i don't know how much, if any it would. With a turbocharged application, the air is radically heated with the compression process, and then cooled to enter the engine, however it's not ice cold air, just cooler than it was after the turbine.

I would also have to think that our engines could pull the air through the intercooler, or pull the air in the intercooler to the engine, however, the intercooler would most likely act as a restriction in the long run, making it more difficult to get the power you were hoping to, and at best, probably putting you in the same location you were already in.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 02:35 AM
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Don't do it, it won't help any thing.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 08:20 AM
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think about how a air to air intercooler works.


the hotter compressed air inside conducts its heat to the alum.

the alum conducts it to the cooler air. at 100% efficency, the intercooler would make the compressed air inside the same as the air flowing across the outside.


but. if they are already the same temp, then nothign would happen.


except the intercooler will slowly warm up from the motor... and then it may actually add heat to the air.


not to mention, it will create a restriction....


overall, bad idea for a non boosted motor... unless you intend to cool the intercooler, it wont help. (if the intercooler was sprayed with a icewater mist or nitrous or some other gas that chills when sprayed, then it becomes effective..... but not as effective as if you just sprayed the nitrous INTO the motor.)
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Yea a car should have no problem sucinkg through an inter cooler.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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well it should be pretty cheap and easy to try im. and theres only one way to be sure if it works so im gunna try it this weekend. ill let you guys know how everything goes.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by kevo2k6
well it should be pretty cheap and easy to try im. and theres only one way to be sure if it works so im gunna try it this weekend. ill let you guys know how everything goes.



tornado is also cheap and easy. go try it.




geeze, do you guys ever bother to think about how and why somthing works before you go out and try it?
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 05:28 PM
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kevo, you do realize this is more likely to reduce power than increase, right? Intercoolers use ambient air to cool hot air blowing out of a compressor... without the compressor, if you're just sucking in ambient air to begin with, how do you think ambient air is going to cool ambient air? 90 degree air pushed through an intercooler being vented with 90 degree air is still 90 degree air... it's just 90 degree air that had to figure out how to get through an intercooler. Air from a turbo/supercharger can easily be 50+ degrees hotter than ambient air.. that's why intercoolers exist.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 05:47 PM
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I agree with everyone, it's not going to do crap. Although...I saw an interesting thing on a new Mazda sedan at work. Naturally aspirated...but it had ram air, routed in a big circle around the motor, into an air to air intercooler that was also routed with a ram-duct to it, and back to the throttlebody. I scratched my head when I saw no turbo or anything... Completely absurd.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 06:10 PM
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Id say if anything seal the inter cooler into a box where it get no air flow but keep the box filled with $1 bag ice.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 06:54 PM
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Or even better---those reusable ice packs you freeze and you used to put in your coolers when you were a kid at summer day camp... Or was that just me?

Lol but yeah......like it's actually worth it. Screw intercooling an N/A motor....
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
kevo, you do realize this is more likely to reduce power than increase, right? Intercoolers use ambient air to cool hot air blowing out of a compressor... without the compressor, if you're just sucking in ambient air to begin with, how do you think ambient air is going to cool ambient air? 90 degree air pushed through an intercooler being vented with 90 degree air is still 90 degree air... it's just 90 degree air that had to figure out how to get through an intercooler. Air from a turbo/supercharger can easily be 50+ degrees hotter than ambient air.. that's why intercoolers exist.

o ok thanks for lettin me know. but wouldnt routing my intake up to the front where an intercooler would be help. because i guarantee its better than the little air box we have. and wut about keepin the interocoler cooled like with water? or still a no?
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 07:56 PM
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anybody think about the weight you'd add? adding no power but adding weight will only slow you down.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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the 90-92 camaro air intake sucks, yes... best thing to do is replace it with the TPI-style dual snorkel if you want the closest to ambient you're going to get.
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Nixon1
I agree with everyone, it's not going to do crap. Although...I saw an interesting thing on a new Mazda sedan at work. Naturally aspirated...but it had ram air, routed in a big circle around the motor, into an air to air intercooler that was also routed with a ram-duct to it, and back to the throttlebody. I scratched my head when I saw no turbo or anything... Completely absurd.

Hmmm so it sucks in cold air that is then heated and the re-cooled.

well I'll just assume the ram air / cold air in the first part is just how it should be done and I will ignore that.

But I guess what they are doing is heating the air which would expand and raise the pressure? that is then cooled before being feed into the engine. The warm air would have hi pressure and the colder air would be lower. So it would have a small boost effect that would run well.

warm air expands and pushes against the cold air, which starts to cool but has more hot air coming.

Course this is all just a theory on why anyone would do that. Its the only effect I can think of. How valid it is
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
the 90-92 camaro air intake sucks, yes... best thing to do is replace it with the TPI-style dual snorkel if you want the closest to ambient you're going to get.
dual snorkel setup is very good *cough*let me know if you want one*cough*
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