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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 02:47 PM
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Car: 1989 IROC Z-28
Engine: L98 350--modified
Transmission: 700 R4--modified
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Have to give it gas to start???

On my wife's 87 RS--2.8L/700r4, we always have to give it gas (press the gas pedal) slightly for it to start--can't figure it out. Once it starts it runs/ idles fine.

Checked,and/or replaced and/or adjusted following with no difference:
complete ignition--plugs,wires, cap, rotor, coil, timing
MAF
EGR Valve + operation
TPS (.50)
IAC
vacumn leaks including intake vacumn level with meter
Ox sensor
Cat not plugged


?????????HELP???????????

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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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it has a version of a map by the egr solinoid. Iferget what it's called, but I'm sure someone will chime in w/the exact name. It has about 4~5 wires to it & a vacuum tube going to it.

edit: oops, wrong thread, but same thread starter

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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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Car: 1989 IROC Z-28
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I found that-- has 4 wires--went to Oreillys auto parts--had no such part.

Any one know what it is called or the electrical values to double check it
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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what about the cold start injector not firing, which is opposite of what normally goes wrong with them.
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 05:39 PM
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Did you clean out the throttle body? It gets a lot of crud in it on the back side, where you can't see it, from the egr. Could be blocking the IAC passage.
Is this only when cold, or at any temperature.
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
what about the cold start injector not firing, which is opposite of what normally goes wrong with them.
I know I'm really showing my ignorance here, but what is that?
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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Car: 1989 IROC Z-28
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Originally posted by bru333
Did you clean out the throttle body? It gets a lot of crud in it on the back side, where you can't see it, from the egr. Could be blocking the IAC passage.
Is this only when cold, or at any temperature.
Did you clean out the throttle body?
Done only few months ago--the problem has pretty much been there since we bought the car several years ago.


Is this only when cold, or at any temperature.
About the only time it will start is if it within a minute or so of being shut off.


Cleared the pooter (ECM) jsut replaced ox sensor and fixed vacumn line and checked EGR for the 32 + the 45--seems to have gone away. and still getting a 33, but it takes a while before it throws the code. Could that have anything to do with it? (Actually this should go in another post about this car) see below

I found that-- has 4 wires--went to Oreillys auto parts--had no such part.

Any one know what it is called or the electrical values to double check it?

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it has a version of a map by the egr solinoid. Iferget what it's called, but I'm sure someone will chime in w/the exact name. It has about 4~5 wires to it & a vacuum tube going to it.

edit: oops, wrong thread, but same thread starter
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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TPS voltage should be .54-.56, btw...

Cold start injector is a valve at the back of the intake manifold which opens during cold starts to richen the fuel mixture (it isn't handled by the ECM, like 88+ cars)

Cold start injector is wired to a switch that sits next to the coolant temp sensor. CTS is yellow and black wires, other is the cold start switch.
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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The 4-wire single-vac-port vaccum switch they're referring to is the EGR diagnostic switch.. it just tells the ECU when the EGR system is operating correctly. It is not a MAP, but is what's triggering your EGR code if it's unplugged or leaking vaccum.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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Car: 1989 IROC Z-28
Engine: L98 350--modified
Transmission: 700 R4--modified
Axle/Gears: 4:10 Posi
THANKS for the info guys.

I'm pretty familiar with my 89 IROC, but not so much with my wife's 87 rs.

Cleared the codes after repairing the vacumn line on EGR and replaced ox sensor. Will see if the 33 comes back. I checked the MAF and it seems ok and does not have any "symptoms" like one might expect.

Thanks again.

Craig
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