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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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OK, Im glad everything is wrong with my car

So yeah I have had a few topics now, in the last while, winter hit my car hard and upon closer inspection I found another thing wrong

When you set your timing your supposed to undo a bolt (dont know where it is) and then turn the distributor, and once its timed you tighten the bolt back.....right?

WELL

I can turn mine without undoing any bolt or anything, on average i have to turn it back to where I think it was almost every week. Where is this phantom bolt thats supposed to hold it down? I looked with a mirror and everything, mine might even be missing.....great.....please help....:lala: pics would be very awsome too
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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on my camaro the dizzy had a little metal plate on the bottom that the bolt went thorugh



maybe you should think of buying a rx7


faster and better handling
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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taken from the rear of the engine. passenger side to the right side of the photo.
Attached Thumbnails OK, Im glad everything is wrong with my car-holddown.jpg  
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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Yup. Just follow the dist. shaft down. It's significantly harder to locate on a v6 than on a smallblock.

Is the whole thing turning, or just the cap because of some broken tabs, or what?
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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rx7speed - Not in a million years lol

Bru333- PERFECT picture man, awsome, I will check that out

"ryan" - turns the whole thing, cause it sets my timing that way. Its been like this for a long time and just founds out that its not supposed to, was working on my friends car and wondered why his didnt do it,


But yeah I dont think i have that plate at the bottom, at least I didnt see it when i used the mirror, might have to go get one

awsome, tbanx to everyone but rx7speed....he gave the worst advise ever
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by rx7speed
on my camaro the dizzy had a little metal plate on the bottom that the bolt went thorugh



maybe you should think of buying a rx7


faster and better handling
Faster and better handling? I'll run ya - Or better -

Throw my turbo into Dean's car
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Dean would like a turbo very much,
Problem is, Dean can not have a turbo in my car in the great BS state of Calif. The ability to have streetabilty and good gas milage
and then high end HP on demand should be legal in some fashion but the money game has to be played here for the E.O# to legally run it. I would buy a packaged set up from you definately if I could because my biggest hurdle is the computers on these damn cars, it a foriegn language to me- much easier to buy a packaged setup that works. Hell, I've done everything else to this car that your turbo setup would be the cake topper.
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Faster and better handling? I'll run ya - Or better -

Throw my turbo into Dean's car

ok ok so you would win


but I know someone who would beat you


but most v6ers I'm sure you know what I mean
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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Shouldnt be hard at all to get one from the yard.

Oh, hey, while we're at it - does your car still have the sticker under the hood that says what to disconnect when you're adjusting the timing? The one on my '87 is nowhere to be found...
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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My sticker is MIA also.
But this post has a pic I posted of what to disconnect.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=274610
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Nice. Thanks.
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by rx7speed
maybe you should think of buying a rx7

faster and better handling
You do realize it's generally considered extremely rude to spout such propoganda on a site devoted to an entirely different car... right?
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
You do realize it's generally considered extremely rude to spout such propoganda on a site devoted to an entirely different car... right?
your just jealous


and also he wouldn't have this problem with the rx7

no dizzy :-)
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by rx7speed
wouldn't have this problem with the rx7
Not to say that there wouldnt be other problems to replace that one...
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by 305q_ta86
Not to say that there wouldnt be other problems to replace that one...
ok so I've had a few problems though most are my fault

but so far no motor related problems at all. mostly tranny, speedo, and intake leak issues. but she is an old car with 220k-230k or so miles on her.
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by rx7speed
your just jealous
... ...... .... JEALOUS?! I've GOT an FC3S *SITTING* here. I feel *BAD* for anyone who's willing to put up with the maintainence of a 13b (0 psi across rear faces, 30-40 psi across front faces)

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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by rx7speed
ok so I've had a few problems though most are my fault

but so far no motor related problems at all. mostly tranny, speedo, and intake leak issues. but she is an old car with 220k-230k or so miles on her.
Really? That's pretty lucky then. Before I bought my second thirdgen I eriously looked at Rx7's, but one of the reasons I rejected them was because they all seemed to have pretty bad problems. They'd be on their second or third engine, and have freshly blown oil or coolant lines or something..
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 10:19 PM
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actually not that lucky
it's honeslty fairly commong to get quite a few miles out of a N/A rx7

with the oil seals it does happen sometimes won't deny that. sometimes coolant seals as well.

main problems with the rx7 (second gen that is) seem to be electrical being mazda guys can't solder worth a damn.
and you have to take care of the car (which you shoud do anyway) but most ppl don' seem to do that. they are willin to let the oil changes slide or let the coolant get old or something like that




and techno I take it you hve a 13bt?


the 13b isn't that hard to take care of.
just put a little oil in ever 1500 or so and change it at around 3k and change the coolant once in a while..... crap I need to change mine


my coolant system is making a nice .6v battery right now .... wait
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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also what happeend your to your techno?
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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Assuming apex seals are gone @ 175k... 13b NA, not 13bt... tranny is basically falling apart at the seams... 5 speed.... it's got potential if I ever find another 13b... but... can't afford a new one, so it's questionable as to if the car will ever see the road under my ownership again.

Honestly this is all very off topic/non thirdgen related... back to our regularly scheduled program, please
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
Assuming apex seals are gone @ 175k... 13b NA, not 13bt... tranny is basically falling apart at the seams... 5 speed.... it's got potential if I ever find another 13b... but... can't afford a new one, so it's questionable as to if the car will ever see the road under my ownership again.

Honestly this is all very off topic/non thirdgen related... back to our regularly scheduled program, please
the N/A tranny isn't the greatest piece granted
apex seals can't comment on but typicaly n/a last a little longer then that

try junker yard for a motor though

sorry sir

and to further help this guy out though any ideas what size bolt it would be if he can't find one?
it would be helpfull
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 11:17 PM
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I remember hearing that they didnt change much on the tranny from the first to second generation, so it cant handle the power of the 13b. Is that true?



I can go check the size of the bolt on mine tomorrow. Actually, I think it said what it was in that other thread though.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 12:30 AM
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back on topic.


no, really
if you caint find the hold down clamp anywhere, I might still have mine from the 2.8. (yes, I still have some peices parts hanging around from it still)
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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about the tranny I honestly don't know much about the first gen.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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Yeah, back on topic; I guess the hold down bolt & clamp could've fallen out; yikes. Well; an easy test- can you lift up on your distributor? It shouldn't budge at all if the clamp is still there. Only try to lift it up a little bit; try not to pop the whole thing out of the motor b/c then you might throw off the timing!

Skip the mirror tho, just reach back to feel your dist cap, then keep feeling your way down to where the dist cap ends, underneath is the dist shaft, keep going by touch until you get to where the dist enters the intake manifold. The clamp's gotta be there....

If it seems the dist shaft enters the intake manifold cleanly with nothing in the way (feel all the way around the base of the dist shaft), then start feeling for an empty bolt hole.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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NO HOLD DOWN CLAMP?
The area would be like the Exxon Valdezez.
Use a 15mm swivel socket from Sears, several long extensions and feel down on passenger side of distributor on engine.
I'll bet there are "wires & such" including with the "holding power" of said clamp. Which is why distributor still can rotate a bit.
Who was back there prior to your discovery of distb. looseness?
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Yeah i was at the junk yard today, and well....of course i forgot to get the clamp.....but I did get 89 z28 GFX well half of them, the other side was broken
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