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new options found for us 2.8/3.1 automatic guys.

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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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new options found for us 2.8/3.1 automatic guys.

well im an employee in my towns advance auto parts. i was working tonight and we werent busy so i was just looking in our computer catalouge and found that we have more than just one torque converter option for our cars. i couldnt believe ti when i found it. we have listed 4 different stall converters for our cars all under $150. these were direct replacements for the v6 cars 82-92. and it says the 700r4 converter will fit in the th200c. there is a 2375 stall, 1568 stall, 1865 stall, and there is also a 2500 stall. thats right i found a 2500 stall for our transmissions. for under $150. i was thinking of getting the 2500 because right now im pretty sure i have the 2300 stall. and that knocked 2/10's off my 60 ft times oppose to my stock 1500 stall
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Old May 1, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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Car: 2000 Trans Am WS6 (Black)
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just curious, would this converter still 'lock' up, using the TCC?

plus how on earth DOES a torque converter 'lock'?
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Old May 1, 2005 | 11:27 PM
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Take a look here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter2.htm

That page displays a non-lock-up torque converter. A lock-up torque converter has a electronicly controlled clutch between the forward part of the housing and the turbine. When the TCC is locked, the clutch mechanically/physically joins the housing and turbine, and since the turbine is directly attached to the transmission input shaft, engine power is applied directly to the transmission rather than through the workings of the torque converter.

Also see: http://www.bankspower.com/Tech_under...rqueconver.cfm

"Torque converter slippage is important during acceleration, but it becomes a liability once the vehicle reaches cruising speed. That's why virtually all modern torque converters use a lock-up clutch.

The purpose of the lockup clutch is to directly connect the engine and the transmission once slippage is no longer needed. When the lockup clutch is engaged, a plate attached to the turbine is hydraulically pushed up against the front cover (which, you will recall, is connected to the impeller), creating a solid connection between the engine and transmission. Having the engine and transmission directly connected lowers the engine speed for a given vehicle speed, which increases fuel economy."

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Old May 1, 2005 | 11:39 PM
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Car: 2000 Trans Am WS6 (Black)
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hrm when I'm on the highway and my TCC engages... if I give it enough gas, I hear/feel some vibration... I wonder if it's my TCC 'slipping'?

if I give it enough gas to unlock the TCC, the vibrations go away...

guess I need a new torque converter...
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Old May 2, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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No kidding! Cool! And these were definately for V6 cars? If you look up a V8, you don't get the same part #s do ya?
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Old May 2, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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Car: '86 Camaro, '85 Z28, '92 Firebird
Engine: LB8 2.8, LG4 5.0, LO3 5.0
Transmission: TH-700R4, T-5, TH-700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42s, 3.23s, 2.73s
How much of a stall does the stock converter have?
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Old May 2, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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trying to understand stall speed. First question, what is the stall speed? What do you feel when the converter locks up? And what does raising or lowering the stall speed accomplish? I looked it up...but I'm still confused.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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stall has nothing to do with locking...

think of it like a manual tranmission... when you get a high-stall torque converter, its like dropping the clutch at 2500rpm... with no damage to any components, except wear on the tranny

you can still take off with less than 2500rpm, its just that if you floor it, the motor will get to 2500rpm before the wheels spin....

for our cars its a good thing

what I want to know, is do these converters have the TCC??
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Old May 2, 2005 | 05:32 PM
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Car: 91' Firebird
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hmmmm soo anyone know how much it cost to get one installed??
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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no they are definitly for v6 cars. our stock converters in our cars are like 1500rpm stall. when i replaced my trany last winter i put an s10 2300 stall in it. but then i found this 2500 stall right at advance where i work so now i want to get that. another thing i learned is that the 700r4 and the th200c shares the same converter. or atleast thats what the computer is telling me
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Old May 3, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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th200c... which tranny is that again?

my bro has a th400 in his '74 nova... its a 3-speed.
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Old May 3, 2005 | 09:02 PM
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Car: '86 Camaro, '85 Z28, '92 Firebird
Engine: LB8 2.8, LG4 5.0, LO3 5.0
Transmission: TH-700R4, T-5, TH-700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42s, 3.23s, 2.73s
the th200c is another 4 speed auto that was on 82 and 83 f bodies, but it was used with a lot of buick cars throughout the 80s
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Old May 3, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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are u sure??? when i check the website it just comes up with a 1865 stall
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Old May 4, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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any benefits over a 700r4? does it lock up?
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Old May 4, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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yea i got an 1865 stall on one of the searches. check all the years for camaro and firebird 2.8 and 3.1. also check the early 80's s10's
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Old May 4, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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if I got a new one, I'd get a 2500 stall... but do they lock up? does anyone know?
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Old May 4, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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yes all the ones i listed are lockup converters. 10" too
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Old May 5, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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that sounds awesome..
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Old May 5, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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The 200C was only a 3-speed, and it was a piece of junk, last year for it was '83.
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Old May 5, 2005 | 06:49 PM
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are there any downsides to having the 2500 stall LOCKING torque convertor over the stock 1600'ish stall?

and can someone describe in more technical terms what the difference between a low/high stall converter are?

Thanks,

Steven
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