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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Car: 1986 FIRECHICKEN 2.8L,(OLD POLICE CAR) RACING FRONT SUSPENSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS STOCK FOR NOW
Engine: 2.8L LB8 173ci....
Transmission: BROKEN, PREVIOUS OWNER REPLACED ORIG. WITH CAMARO....JUST BECAUSE IT FITS DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS....DUHHH
2.8 Design 1 Or 2???

I am trying to get a rebuild kit for my 2.8 as well as various parts like cam, intake, ect... for my 86 firebird

I see some sites have: 2.8 ford, 2.8 chevy, 2.8, design 1, 2.8 design 2

Know I'm pretty sure that 2.8 ford is not what I want, but what is the design 1 and 2 stuff??

I know s-10's and other cars use 2.8s but is it all the same as far as rebuilding? I also need heads, headers, a cam and intake...any clues?

Where can I find good performance parts for this jewel....
will 3.1 parts fit?

Thanks,
Ron
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Car: 86 Camaro
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Ford has 2.9l not 2.8.

Performance parts for your 2.8..... SEARCH

Rebuild kit = Chevy 2.8L



Save money on all of that, drop 3.4 in and do light mods to it, will make more power then a heavier modified 2.8 would.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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Car: 1988 Pontiac Trans Am
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Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 9-Bolt, with 3.42 Gears
I got some rebuilt heads with performance springs on them that I don't need if you are interested, and I also have ,a timing chain, gasket set, roller rockers, and a shift kit if you are intersted.

Just PM me, also Pacesetter makes headers for these cars, and yes 3.1L parts will fit on your car.

Just to let you know....


You might want to look into a 3.4L block instead of rebuilding a 2.8 it might be more bang for the buck.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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i belive the version 1,2,3 is specific for FWD versions of these engines as they changed head, intake, exhaust designs thru the years.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by MakeitQuick92RS
I got some rebuilt heads with performance springs on them that I don't need if you are interested, and I also have ,a timing chain, gasket set, roller rockers, and a shift kit if you are intersted.

Just PM me, also Pacesetter makes headers for these cars, and yes 3.1L parts will fit on your car.

Just to let you know....


You might want to look into a 3.4L block instead of rebuilding a 2.8 it might be more bang for the buck.
Shift kit for 700r4?

By who and how much you want for it.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 12:11 PM
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From: GULF BREEZE/PENSACOLA, FLORIDA
Car: 1986 FIRECHICKEN 2.8L,(OLD POLICE CAR) RACING FRONT SUSPENSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS STOCK FOR NOW
Engine: 2.8L LB8 173ci....
Transmission: BROKEN, PREVIOUS OWNER REPLACED ORIG. WITH CAMARO....JUST BECAUSE IT FITS DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS....DUHHH
HEADS...

Yes I need the heads.

pm/email me with price for heads alone and price for everything but the shiftkit.

Ronhast4133@gmail.com
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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From: GULF BREEZE/PENSACOLA, FLORIDA
Car: 1986 FIRECHICKEN 2.8L,(OLD POLICE CAR) RACING FRONT SUSPENSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS STOCK FOR NOW
Engine: 2.8L LB8 173ci....
Transmission: BROKEN, PREVIOUS OWNER REPLACED ORIG. WITH CAMARO....JUST BECAUSE IT FITS DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS....DUHHH
OK, the closest thing for headers That I could find/afford was 2.8l headers for a 74-77 capri....would these fit? my 86 2.8?
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Car: 86 Firebird 2.8
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summitracing.com carries the pacesetter headers for like $208 painted and $330 coated.

this website sells heads, cams, rockers and all the goodies as well as 2.8-3.1 and 2.8-3.4 conversion kits. http://www.engine-parts.com/GMV6/28camspecs.html
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by RONHAST4133
OK, the closest thing for headers That I could find/afford was 2.8l headers for a 74-77 capri....would these fit? my 86 2.8?
Capri.....that's a Mercury...which in those years I believe is the Mercury equivalent of the Ford Mustang.... Same motors I do believe
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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Pace Setter Exhaust does make street legal headers for the F Body.
Seek out a 3.4 used long block to insert under the hood. 2.8->3.4 Long Block Swap Boogie tech thread is what you are seeking in your search.
It's a very easy yet bloody detailed swap.
85% of your current vehicle motor parts swap right over to the 3.4.
1993-1995 F Body donor cars, ONLY.
$500 tends to be the average cost.
Lower miles of donor 3.4 equal longer driving before the 3.4 rebuild.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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From: GULF BREEZE/PENSACOLA, FLORIDA
Car: 1986 FIRECHICKEN 2.8L,(OLD POLICE CAR) RACING FRONT SUSPENSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS STOCK FOR NOW
Engine: 2.8L LB8 173ci....
Transmission: BROKEN, PREVIOUS OWNER REPLACED ORIG. WITH CAMARO....JUST BECAUSE IT FITS DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS....DUHHH
Thanks, very informative, I did find the pacesetter headers and might get them through summit racing...little cheaper...free shipping and y-pipe...not sure if pacesetter includes the y-pipe.

anyway, I might have found some replacement heads (mine=14054879)
hard to get info on interchange, rather hard to verify if what is on the net is correct or not. I also read an article that said the 2.8l with 8.9 : 1 ratio could only use cast number heads: 14054879 & 14054884, which doesn't make much sence to me but what the hell.

I did get a level 2 cam and thinking about the level 2 chip...I know it is a waste putting all this in a 2.8 that isn't going to do anything but drive back and forth to work but what the hell I'm retarded so what do I know....lol

Thanks for your help.

Ron the Tard
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:42 PM
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If ya really seeking to just touch up what ya got,
I also have a set of reconditioned heads from my 1985 MPFI 2.8
Several new guides, includes a set of valve covers, too.
$125 + shipping.
The headers do include the "Y" pipe.
Finding a 3.4 is an easy upgrade IF ya truly love your car.
The Crane Cam 2030 is the stock cam in the 3.4 mill.
Crane designed the valve train package for GM for that engine.
Do a compression test before ya pull your heads to get a guide of condition of long block.
My swapped 3.4 mills registered 175-200 pounds of compression.
My worn down 2.8 registered a lousy 50!
Latest find of a used 3.4 long block was $650 for a 59,000 mile long block. CHEAP!
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Car: 1986 Firebird
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Originally posted by JamesY
The statement is the fact you seem to not know how to search or read stickies, that is what it is pointed at.
The big problem here is that I just went to give a link to the sticky- and it's gone!! It's no longer at the top of this forum. So everyone shake hands and chill out... it's summertime...

So instead I'm gonna give a link to Dale's message (it's an oldie) with some header info:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=260703
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Car: 86 Firebird 2.8
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I just ordered a set of pacesetters through summit. the website says they wont ship til sometime in july, but if u call them they will have pacesetter drop ship them the next day. total cost for the painted one was like 217. also bout a set of the stage 8 locking header bolts. the website i linked in has the cast heads from the 82-86 and the aluminum heads from the 87+ as well as all the different cam and such
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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From: GULF BREEZE/PENSACOLA, FLORIDA
Car: 1986 FIRECHICKEN 2.8L,(OLD POLICE CAR) RACING FRONT SUSPENSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS STOCK FOR NOW
Engine: 2.8L LB8 173ci....
Transmission: BROKEN, PREVIOUS OWNER REPLACED ORIG. WITH CAMARO....JUST BECAUSE IT FITS DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS....DUHHH
Thanks.

I did find this through the searching....great post
v-6 bible or something...
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=255598

gonna have to show me how to do that niffty tread insert you old timers do
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