TomP

Hope someone can help me here; if I pick up the 2.8 headers, how can I tell if they're the updated ones to clear the longer PF52 oil filter?

When I buy 'em, I plan on sending them directly to get ceramic coated- and it would suck to either:

A) test fit them just to take them back off to send them out
or
B) get them coated, get them back, and find out they're the old style

So are there any clues that say "these are the newer style"?

Thanks!

91greenbird

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what size filter does the 3.1 have?

Dale

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3.1 has pf52, some of the later 2.8 had it also.

Early 2.8 and 3.4's had pf47, but the pf52 fits.

They never sent me an "updated set" like they said they would. And only other person I know that has a set is dave. I dont recall if he had same problem or not.

TomP

They didn't?? Wow, that sucks. How did you get around the problem? Did you install a remote oil filter mount?

(And for anyone reading this, you should "upgrade" your protection to a larger PF52 filter; twice the size = twice the filter medium, and it holds an extra 1/2 quart of oil, too.)

Dale

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I used a bfh to fix it. If I had the cash and they made a remote filter for this size, I might consider it.

87blueracr

where can i get one of those remote filter mounts? i need one for my headers that i just got from ked!

TomP

Shoot, so it's gonna wind up being a test fit, huh?

87, any speed shop (including summitracing.com) should have one.

RTFC

Those headers are sure making there rounds. I owned them for several years. I believe it was the Hookers Karl got from me. Look familiar? The one with the cut flange

RTFC

Speaking of which, I finally put my stainless steel headers on the car today after having them for two years. (was in a bit of a snag for a while but someone helped me out of that a few months back- Thank you sir again to that person I can finally run them.)
I have waited 12 years to get a set of headers on this car.

RTFC

Bumped up the fuel pressure to 45psi at idle and fired the car uncorked (still slightly lean with headers, have to go to the 17# injectors definately)

Holy crap did it sound wicked for a little V6

87blueracr

rftc, i promise that i will take care of them. i like them ss headers you got on there, they look great. why did you start running lean enough to need 17# injectors when you put the headers on?
it shouldn't have really messed up the fuel curve that bad unless... nevermind i forgot that headers on theese engines will allow them to breathe better, and better breathing means more air, with more air, comes the need for more fuel.
sounds like it is a good thing that i am going to the junk yard this weekend. thanks for saving me the headache with the headers.

i plan on doing something like you did with the ss headers but i like the long tube style myself. i may however give them a tad bit larger primaries though.

drdave88

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i had the same problem w/ mine and the pf52. it sat ON the header. i had to go back to using the pf47. i sent an email to fred gerle a while ago and never heard back from anyone so it looks like were stuck w/ what we got for now.

87blueracr

all i can say on the matter is that sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it the way you want. if you want to run the pf52, then modify the headers to fit around the filter the way they are supposed to!

91greenbird

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I want the pacesetter headers/ y-pipe anyone have any idea if the a.i.r 3.1 headers will be avaible this summer?

TomP

Well, supposedly Pacesetter had updated their headers for clearance; thus, the question I asked.

DrDave, thanks for the info!

Looks like I can't avoid a test fit; or I'll have to get 'em ceramic coated and put on the external adapter. Hm. Decisions, decisions!

Dale

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sorry I cant help you more tom. They said they would send a set, never did.

I got email saying its fixed, but nobody I know of has this "new set". Also, how did they fix it? It was already damn close the 5sp cylinder. Did they move it back, or move it out? They said the y-pipe changed a little bit due to this.

Id love to here if the new ones fit. Also, if you get a remote system, and not needed. I may be willing to make a deal on it when finances permit so your not stuck with un-needed equipment.

RTFC

My headers are on and I have to report they are much luoder. It really is amazing and actually a little disappointing. I also will report (though I am not surprised at all) that the headers installed on the 2.8 did not make any noticiable power difference, just alot more noise. It actually makes the flowmaster80 sound like crap- it sounded so nice before.

I new I was wasting my time putting them on the 2.8. But they are legal and I figured it was time since the cat was bad, I might as well put them on in the process of fixing the exhaust. The 3.5 will benefit from them, but not the 2.8 so much. The catback was already 2.5 and the stock y-pipe was 2.25. It did fine how it was even with the larger TB. The TB made more of a noticiable difference.

RTFC

Tom, Thank you very much for the tip on larger filter. I can now run one no problem with the PF&E headers.

Sorry, I have no info on the pacesetter headers.

I have test driven the car more than around the block quickly. I can now report that I do in fact have more topend power about 4500rpms+, but nothing gained below that.

Uncle Creepy

There is place for a PF52, but it hits the header.
I i ordered my headers from summit and asked them to make sure is was the new design.
They assured me that since they were so long in backorder (i had to wait more than a month) that it would be the new design.
This is what they told me : Dear Rudy,
Since they are on backorder meaning they have to production this part we would believe this is the new design. The next expected date to receive here is 3-17-05. Thank you for your inquiry.
Best regards,
Amy

SO, check for yourself if you think this could be called 'issue fixed' ....

Dale

iTrader: (12)

nope, same exact problem I had.

TomP

Woah! Damn! Thanks for the pic, UC! So it's the actual collector that hits? Hm.

Well when I get my next paycheck I'm gonna hunt a set down; and I guess I'll deal with the filter when I come to it.

Dale you used a BFH to fit it? How much did you have to dent the pipe? A little? A lot? Got a picture?

Dale

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Tom, just went and looked, and it doesnt appear I took a picture after I "fixed it". I think overall I caved 1 pipe down maybe 3/16-1/4"???

Edit, and no, its not where the collector is. Its one pipe, thats all.

TomP

Oh, okay, I see now (in UC's picture) that it's just the one pipe. I looked at some remote filter mounts; the ones by permacool even said "get your oil filter away from your headers by using our kit"... it just occurred to me that filter probably gets very HOT from the headers- but now after looking in my engine bay, I have no idea where I'd put the damn filter.

It was hard enough finding a spot for my remote trans filter! I wound up mounting it to the passenger side frame rail, between the motor and the radiator. There's just enough clearance between the bottom of the filter and the idler arm to get the filter off.

But beats me where I'd put a remote oil filter. Ugh. The BFH might win! I'd cut the pipe and re-weld it, but I'd have to get another motor and put it on my stand, and mock the whole thing up.

TomP

Oh! I just noticed something else from the pic!! Is that a ball flange (gasketless) between the headers and the y-pipe?? It looks like it, and man I hope so- that'll save me from buying those kind of flanges and welding them in! Is it??

Uncle Creepy

yes Tom, it is ... (on that side anyway)
I'm not to thrilled about the current oil filter situation myself ...
i'm looking into an oil filter relocation kit ....
summit dual oil filter relocation with 2 k&n filters and a perma-cool cooler core or something of that kind ...
but first i'm gonna do an outrageous brake upgrade ....

Rudy

Dale

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tom, left side is ball/socket flange. Pass side is flat mount.

Take a look at my site (www below) and look at the pictues. You can right click, save and view larger on your pc.

86BLUEBIRD

i think mine r leaking at the flange. is there any way to seal it up better?

LT1guy

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What gaskets are you using? I use Fel Pro header gaskets, with no issues. You could always coat them with high temp RTV (the copper stuff), that works just about every time. A good set of locking header bolts helps too (just order a set of Stage 8s for an LS1).

PF&E headers clear the oil filter just fine, BTW.

86BLUEBIRD

i have the felpro manifold gaskets and the stage 8 locking header bolts that summit carries for the 2.8. mine is leakin at the ball/socket flange on the left side and the slip fit joints. i had the slip joints welded to cut that down but im sure the ball/socket joint is still leakin

91greenbird

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I emailed fred at pacesetter and he said they were fixed to fit the p52 filter. As far as the 3.1 a.i.r system he says he needs a car with the air injection so he can make headers for it.

TomP

Aw bummer, so there's only a ball flange on one side? Looks like I will have to do a mock-up before I get 'em ceramic coated. Oh well!

Thanks for asking FredG about that, 91!!

Summit really lists a stage 8 kit for the 2.8?? Wow! Did they list the felpro header-to-engine gaskets too?

bru333

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...ults=false&N=0

Don't see the gaskets on the web site, doesn't mean they don't have them though.

86BLUEBIRD

i used the felpro exhaust manifold gasket. cant find anything anywhere about header gaskets for these engines. the ones i got looked good enough

87blueracr

i think that you all mean grade 8 bolts, you can get them anywhere.

86BLUEBIRD

no, the name of the company is Stage8