well as some of you know i have been slowing building up a 3.4L engine to drop in my camaro, most of the powedercoat work is done now and the engine is being taken int to a local shop to be balanced and assembled(short block) pictures of the powdercoat can be found here(easier for me to just link from another place as im on dial up) lemme know what ya all think so far

http://www.deadbird.org/swin//index.php?showtopic=181

 

looks good! you actually powder coated the block, too? i've wondered about doing that but I was scared of warping something.

 

it doesnt appear that any damage was done to the block, however the cam bearings got fried haha kinda forgot bout those but no big deal. i dropped the block off yesterday at the shop so hopefully in the next couple weeks ill have some assembled pictures.

now the question is what brackets to use 3.1 or the 3.4s does it make any diffrence. need to decide so i can powder coat those to

 

Dang.. that does look good. But, I think for the sake of being a cheap-skate with $110 invested in a turbo kit and now $100 going into a full 3.4, I think I'll just call sand blasting and rattle can good

 

3.1 brackets. the 3.4 will be toooo long

 

yup. basically the only 3.4 stuff you'll use is the block and internals. otherwise you use what came from the car originally.

 

well thanks to a fellow member of the boards(deadbird) the powdercoat wasnt all that expensive, only reason i didnt go spray can was i wanted to be diffrent lol hence the buliding up a 3.4. now i can be like hey my engine is powdercoated haha

(wow i think i dran to much tonight...)

3.4 brackets will be to long...how so? only thing in my current state i can see that affecting is the powersteering pump right?

anyways time to pass out haha, hopefully ill have some good pics for you all some time soon

 

looking at timing covers today, was researching part numbers at the autozone today(was bored at work haha) and all are diffrent numbers so....which cover to use?

 

the 3.4 brackets extend from th block about 4~5 inches more than the 2.8/3.1 brackets.

 

ok now that i thought about it i see what you mean, can they be used...i thought i rememberd someone using them instead... i think it would look better with the powdercoating

can the 3.4 timing cover be used with the 3.1 brackets...i want to get that coated and would rather not take it off my 3.1 yet....

also random question...ive heard mixed optinons about the flywheels being neutraly balanced....well due to me not having it off the car yet and cant take it off yet my engine is being balnaced without the flywheel....looking opinions on if that will affect it any or not. some say yes some say no looking for some more opinions

also will 3.4 oil pan be ok, heard mixed opions on that as well about it rubbing exhaust and what not

think thats it for now...it went out for balancing today and hopefully will be back and together in bout two weeks

 

gotta use the 3.1 timing cover, oil pans are your call, and the flywheel i'm curious about too, i have another 88 2.8 that i got for free a while back and have the flywheel off that (neutrually balanced), would rather use it then buy a new one

 

hey project 85, i was looking at your website and it looks as though you used the new brackets, what all had to be done for that, im not going for steath to pass emissions or anything and wouldnt mind the more custom look, that and i dont wanna complely disable my car just yet if i dont have to, using the 3.4 at this point would be more convient

the machine shop agreed about the flywheel not being needed yet but was just wondering what everyone else thought

 

more than likely, the pictures you see on project 85's website are pics of his car with the 3.8 in it. that's why it looks like it does.

 

its a possiblity but i think the picture i was looking at was under the 3.4 secition, and had our intake on the top of the engine, i could be wrong just was curious

would really really help me out if the 3.4 timing chaing cover could be used instead of the 3.1 with no mods....

 

sorry, i hadn't looked at the pics i just assumed it was his 3.8 setup. but, you're right, those do look like the 3.4 brackets!

 

Delay the answer as long as you can guys ... I've finally gotten back to working on my car and am enjoying the lack of other peoples things to work on , heh

 

hahaha i get this feeling im just gonna have to take my car apart, hopefully someone will know if i can use the 3.4 cover with the 3.1 parts as to save me some time and trouble

now we cant have you working on your own car that just wouldnt be normal so someone chime in soon so we can take deadbird away from working on his car

 

Rotating assembly is finished!!! woohoo, got the call today from the machine shop but didnt have a chance to go get it and snap some pics. they pretty much re did everything for me and upgraded everything possible so i cant complain with the pricey part of it

now that thats done the rest is gonna probably have to wait till after the holidays.....stupid xmas lol, anyways hopefully ill get some pics up soon

still waiting if anyone knows if the 3.4 cover will work, looking for someoen who has tried it not just a general use the 3.1 lol

 

just to mix things up more...the two look the same to me. but, i know that looks can be deceiving. the only difference that i KNOW of is that 3.4 timing covers don't have the timing tab since its all computer controlled (DIS).

 

haha thanks for the input.... i agree with you on them looking identical, the only thing i can think that would be a problem is maybe a bolt whole being a diffrent size or in a diffrent location.

with the timing marks im gonna powdercoat it anyways lol so either way im gonna have to make up my own marks to put back on so i could just compare with the 3.1 cover and transfer it over

hey ams91....havent heard much on the intake you made, you still plannin on making them to sell with the bigger TB, gonna be looking into that as the engine continues to be built

 

going by the fact that the blocks are the same other than cylinder sleeves being thicker in the 3.4s and the imfamous "F" cast on the side of the 3.4 block, i don't imagine the bolt holes on the timing cover are different. also, if you can use the 3.1 cover on the 3.4 block, you should be able to use the 3.4 cover in your car. powder coating the timing tab won't matter, though; because it has the "jagged" edge which indicates every 2 degrees (if i remember correctly). so, you won't have to be able to see the numbers. but, you can often still see numbers and things even with powder coating on top.

for the intakes, yes, I do still plan to do that deal. I am working on a TB for a guy now and have some materials to work on the manifolds I just need to get the time to build them.

 

well....i guess ill just go with the 3.4 cover and see what happens if it doesnt work ill just have to take the car apart. i just hope i can get teh timing marks on the 3.4 cover so that it times right...that could be the biggest challenge....thanks for the input, just wanted to double check with some people. still wondering if project used the 3.4 brackets cuz those would look way better in the car

as far as the intakes go im definitly interested in that and the tb, just need to figure out how big of a tb i should go with with this engine any ideas? are you just gonna do a group buy or is this gonna be something thats available anytime.

next step....head work woohoo all the places around here want way to much, but to send them off to supersix isnt gonna be much cheaper....anyone had there heads done there?

 

I can't remember off hand and the 3.4 cover that I have is at the shop but you might be able to take the timing tab off of the 3.1 cover and put it on the 3.4 cover when you are doing the swap. I think its just screwed on but you might need a "special" tool for the screw.

if you want to send me the motor specs for your new motor, I'll try to recommend a TB size for you. I think I'll just have them available "whenever"; might be a "made to order" type deal, also.

Head work isn't too hard if you want to attempt it yourself. If you've never done it before, I would reccomend only "cleaning up the casting marks"...don't go crazy on them and you should be okay.

 

hmm ill look at the cover and see if the tab comes off, would be nice if it did

you have a pm

ive never really done any head work nor do i have the place or tools to do it at this point. i want to get them done proffesionaly, im trying to get as much power outvve this motor NA before i put a power adder on it. as much as i hate waiting for this engine to get finished im trying to do everything right on it as to not have to rebuild it anytime soon

well this could put a damper in my engine build and xmas....check it out and vote

http://www.deadbird.org/swin//index....t=ST&f=2&t=201

 

well aside from the comunity service i now have to do everything is back on track....

engine is almost fully assmebled, heads are ported and polished and am working on getting the hardware together for the heads

started tearing down my engine in the car so that should hopefully be complete within a week or two(work permiting)

hopefully i will be adding an intake and TB from am91camaro....

also looking for upgraded distributer...possibly msd?

also wanting to buy new injectors? suggestions there also needed?

hopefully i can get some assembled pictures up some time soon...that way all of you can check out how good the powdercoat is looking.

think thats all for now

 

i couldn't find anything from msd for the 3.4 i'm building, but mallory makes a few nice ones

might want to look into them

 

did you call them cuz ims ure they wont list it in any catalogs(msd that is) ill look into mallory but id like to have matching stuff if possible

im picking up a msd ignition and blaster coil from work for pretty cheap both for around 250. its the msd model 6al with rev limiter and a few other goodies and the blaster 2 coil

 

you can get a msd cap and rotor. i don't know if they list it specifically for our cars but look it up for a 94 s-10 4.3...its the same; that's what i did.

 

Back 2 years ago, nobody but um.. forget made a distributor.

Few weeks ago I looked when the topic came up, looked like mallory just started making one. But no pictures so I am not sure if its carb or EFI application.

 

hmm...well looks like ignition will be as follows

MSD 6al ignition box
MSD Blaster 2 Coil
MSD Cap Rotor(thnaks am91)

and whatever distributor i can find to upgrade to...ill check on mallory any other ideas?

also ides on injectors will be needed very soon lol

heads are almost done and equpped lol....give specs on them when i get them back

 

well got some pics up for you guys on the other board, check them out, heads are almost ready for assemble just waiting on parts woohoo.....and the bill haha lemme know what ya all think

http://www.deadbird.org/swin/index.p...t=30#entry1324

 

mallory makes a few "performance" efi distributors for our cars.

msd doesn't make anything

only other option is pertronix.

 

Looking very nice. I would caution you though to pull out the steel freeze plugs and use brass, they are cheap and good insurance. brass lasts much longer.

 

Nobody does, cardone is the only other dizzy besides gm.