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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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To all you NON Believers...

Got my Superchip in the mail yesterday, installed it today and man WHAT a difference! All through the RPM Range the extra power is there. Just goes to show you guys that hearsay you here about off the shelf chips is NOT true...Very happy with it, was worth the $150.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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Which brand of chip was it you purchased. I was thinking of getting 1 myself.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Superchips, SKU # 2900
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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It might be great now, but just like your factory chip it's not going to grow with your engine, nor is it specifically tuned for your engine. Others may easily not experience the gains you have. Money's still better invested in eprom hardware and learning to tune your own.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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Not tuned for the engine? Maybe not for mine specifically but it is for the 3.1 Automatic Transmission V6.. Grow with my engine? I really dont plan on doing anything other than bolt ons so its all good.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Whether or not a stock VE mapped chip will work with even headers is still up in the air.. Dale's datalogging venture is proving rapidly his setup isn't on the ball.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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I dont plan for headers anyway, I only have an intake, cat and catback.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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These companies make an assload of money making chips and programmers with lots of happy customers. Yet, one Mr know it all says their garbage and everybody believes it without trying the products Why? They have all the dyno tests in the world to prove their power making products....
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
Dale's datalogging venture is proving rapidly his setup isn't on the ball.
I knew it was way off, and before I did them logings I had pulled some of the things back off the engine.

To bad I dont understand all that maping and chip info. Id love to try and tune it myself. I just dont have the time, knowledge, or attention span to read and understand all that stuff.

I had a jetchip in mine, and it ran better with the stocker then the jetchip.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by V8 Slayer
These companies make an assload of money making chips and programmers with lots of happy customers. Yet, one Mr know it all says their garbage and everybody believes it without trying the products Why? They have all the dyno tests in the world to prove their power making products....
If one Mr. Know it all isn't good enough for you, please feel free to take up the issue with the army of Mr. Know it alls on DIY Prom. Love to see you explain exactly how your aftermarket chip differs from a stock chip and what that means to the code and exactly how your engine runs! Get back to us on that, k? Until then, we're thoroughly happy this aftermarket chip has worked for you, but we're not going to let off the fact that there is a better alternative.
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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sixtyv6 and v8slayer

With the chips that you guys have did you have to change out your thermostat with it? I was looking them up and I see there is one where you don't have to and one you do have to change it with. Just looking to make sure I get the right one. Like you guys besides a cam with the rebuild I don't plan on doing alot more to mines either. Just want to get a little more out of it thats all.
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Given the nature of PROM tuning and how much customization that must be done for each individual car, I would have to see some sort of proof that an aftermarket chip actually adds much better drivability/power over the stock chip. If anything, I would chalk up any additional power to the chip getting into the timing quicker than the stock chip.

Like I said, no insults intended. I would just like to see some objective, real-world data to back any claims of power gain over a stock chip... not an ad in the back of a magazine that claims 25HP over stock.

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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B4 this gets out of hand...

If I am reading between the lines correctly, it seems that V8 slayer is saying that the chip is fine for him since you doesn't plan any major add ons where as TechSmurf is saying that for major add ons it is best to go with a custom chip.
I have no experince with either but I wonder sometimes if just a mojor tune up (see TomP post) might give the same feeling as a new over the counter chip? Has anyone tried one then the other?
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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Even still I would think a few bolt ons would be enough to seek out a custom burned chip for your car to take advantage of the money you've invested.

I've done all of TomP's tuneup in one shot and didn't notice a difference at all. Granted I've noticed nothing after exhaust, ignition, cai. All that I noticed a difference on was vette servo in the tranny.

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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Actually I'm saying properly executed DIY is superior to any generic aftermarket chip. Alot of people will never get into DIY Prom, though, so the aftermarkets just kinda have to suffice... but results can and will vary from car to car.
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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Ok! I know you are getting tired of me but I have one more question for you v8slayer.

What type of fuel do you run in your car? I was reading up on the chips and it says you have to run premium fuel with these chips. Don't need that! Thats going to drive up the cost.
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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Yeah, 91 Octane and above
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 09:08 PM
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Granted I've noticed nothing after exhaust, ignition, cai.
All done the same time and you noticed nothing? Was it a full exhaust or just a catback or muffler? Full ignition?

Where do you get a servo from a corvette? I was thinking of those JET powr servos...
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 06:11 AM
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I did from the cat back, then I changed the cat. I changed cap/rotor/wires/plugs/coil all pretty much at the same time. Went to a K&N cone filter and cai at once. Something is majorly wrong with my car though, getting about 8 1/2mpg to 9mpg.

As far as the servo goes I got it at I got it from:
http://www.700r4l60e.com/store/custo...&cat=52&page=1

$23

If it were me and I was gonna stay with an auto trans for the life of the car I'd get:
http://www.700r4l60e.com/store/custo...&cat=28&page=1
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 07:00 PM
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Back when I had the Blazer 2.8 to GMPP 3.4L I used a jet stage 2 chip I beleive, It's been a long time but if we wanted to search this fourm I'm sure we'd find it. I dident notice any difference worth the $200 and Jet's tech line said this was the chip they sell to all 3.4L swapers.

Heck if you think it was worth the $$$ I dident with my choice. I do think the best route is burning your own prom but most of us are to to do it.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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It's not all hearsay! I had an off-the-shelf chip in my car (ADS Superchip) for years- it cost me $90 back in 1996. Well, one day, on GlennL98's suggestion, I put the stock GM chip back in. The car was actually faster and stronger! The only thing I "lost" was my delayed torque convertor lockup- which I didn't like anyway.

Now I'm not saying the ADS Superchip is the same as the Superchips chip (I don't even think ADS makes chips anymore), but i'd still put my money on a custom-built chip over a mass-produced chip.

As for my major tuneup list, I've been showing that list over various messageboards for years, since my days with v6fbody.com. Tons of people have told me they felt a difference, and only some have said they felt nothing. My guess is that the "I felt nothing" people already had a decent-running car! If your car is running excellent already, you won't notice a difference. But if you're like most people and just bought a Firebird/Camaro that someone beat the heck out of, it'll need a major tuneup.

That's also why I always say "the first thing you should do when you GET your car is a major tuneup".
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