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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 08:45 PM
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Timing advance- possibly stupid question

I could've sworn the last time I timed this car the timing advanced when I revved it up while the EST was disconnected.

With the EST connected it's around 20* and advances when I rev it.

With the EST disconnected it's at 10* (well maybe 9*), but it actually retards just a little when I rev it.

Like I said, I remember it advancing. Is something wrong, or is my memory going?
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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:10 AM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

It should advance when you rev it with the EST/BYPASS open. This is a function of the ignition module.

Was the module replaced sometime with an aftermarket?

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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

Interesting.

I don't know what brand the icm is, just whatever cheapo I got from the parts store. I used an accel icm for awhile, it died, replaced with another from a parts store, eventually it started cutting out because of something I did, and now I have my current icm, which isn't really very old.

I'll pick up another I guess and try it. Any brand I should look for? I'm sure the dealer will want $50-70 for an AC delco. *edit $65 on summit. Probably more at dealership.

This car does seem kind of weak in the higher rpms. I wonder if the computer is giving me some advance at the lower rpms, but I'm not getting enough at higher rpms.

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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

If at all possible get a GM module. I'll even use (and do use) JY pulls instead of aftermarket modules. If you go to a U-pull-it yard and grab some other part that you need, along with an ignition module, they usually don't charge much for the module.

As for the computor advance. There is a difference between modules. It is best to match up the 3-digit code on the OEM module with whatever GM one you get. This has to do with module latency and the correction for it in the ECM.

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Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

were is the computer advance located at. took my car to a mechanic and told me there was something wrong with my advance but i have no idea what or were it is located at Please help. also is the ICM this one> http://www.autozone.com/autozone/cat...estions=%5B%5D

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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:24 AM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

The computer advance is in the computer (ECM). The ECM does a series of lookups to get the desired spark advance and then signals the distributor when to start dwell and when to fire the plug.

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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

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The computer advance is in the computer (ECM). The ECM does a series of lookups to get the desired spark advance and then signals the distributor when to start dwell and when to fire the plug.

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I was told that the advance is not working properly so inorder to fix that then i would have to get a new ECM????(wheres the ECM???)
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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Re: Timing advance- possibly stupid question

ECM is under the dash on the passenger side.

Before replacing anything I would definately check the timing with a light. Just to make sure that it truely isn't working correctly. Also note that wiring issues or a bad module can also cause a no-advance condition.

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