I know this isnt a tech question but its somthing ive been wondering every since i joined this board. Can you keep it not locked for like a day or 2? please !!!

Any ways, Has anyone else noticed that the V6 guys on this board are like 3 times nicer than the V8 guys? Im not putting them down or anything but it seems like they are, stuck up.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

You mean like, "Cute motor, man.. but where's the rest of it?"

I used to have some really big V8s, namely 403 CI 6.6L in my 79 TA and a bored-over 400 (406) in a 76 Formula. I could never look down on the V6 guys though, 'cause in stock form, the HP in my second-gens was matched by many of today's V6 engines (they came with a measly 185 hp, except the Poncho motors which had 225). Of course, both were far from stock

And who can look down on the Buicks? I read about a guy who had a car (forget which, but it was early '70s metal) with a Pontiac 455, and it ran 11.60s. But his GNX ran 10.60s.

But V8 folks can be real helpful. My car wouldn't be running faster and better, and it wouldn't be lowered, if it weren't for my buddies, who both have V8s.

 

Monkie, I think what you may be referring is the classic V6'er question of "How can get more power from my engine"? and teh V8'er replies "Add two more cylinders"...not really the answer you were looking for.

I wouldn't say us V8 guys are stuck up or believe a V6 is not capable of generating some interesting performance (look at the Turbo T/A and the GN).

But is more of a practical approach to performance...not much different when the guy with a 305 is looking to get more performance and the response they get is ... get a 350.

A SBC 350 is probably one of the most economical engine to make some impressive horsepower. And because almost as many 350s have been made as McDonald hamburgers, they are extremely cheap to get a good core...which is one of your least costs when you tally up the total build cost.

But, if you have a V6 and WANT to make serious HP with it, then by all means do it. Don't take offense when someone recommends a 350, because from a HP/$ view point, it really is one of the cheapest solutions...similar to adding NOS, which I still think is one of the cheapest performance bangs for the buck.

And...yes, I do believe that V6 + 150HP NOS > stock L98.

 

The only v8 guys I've met without that attitude have always been gearheads. The kind that would turn a wrench on any car, just because they enjoy it.

The v8 guys that don't know what's going on (connecting rod vs pushrod) will be quick to bash the v6, recommend a swap, and not listen to anything else you say.


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yea some V8 guys can be a-holes, but I've met a few people at the track that were really cool and interested in what I did with the 6 banger. On the flip side of things some of the guys with the 3.8 turbo can be a-holes like some V8 guys.

 

Oh I agree Ive met some V8 guys that are alot kooler than some V6 guys (cough 94Camaro). But then there are the like you said FastRS a-holes. Just goes to show ya this world isnt perfect.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

I think it depends on whether you are a true car enthusiast or not. A true enthusiast tries to help another enthusiast... no matter what their ride is (yes, that includes Mustangs or Japanese cars).. an enthusiast is an enthusiast as far as I'm concerned.

 

I always try to help out guys with Japanese cars - I point them to the nearest GM dealership.

 

Hate to tell you bandit but there are some ricers that can kick american car's *** . Especially mustangs. Oh I forgot that excludes GM

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

Going off-topic for a minute here, the only Japanese cars I have at least token respect for are the Acura NSX, Toyota Supra (late '90s), and the late-model Nissan 300ZX. RX-7's weren't bad either, though only the last ones (in America) were halfway decent-looking.

Everything else belongs on a family's driveway and nowhere else.

(How's that for snobby? See, it's not only V8 guys )

 

LOL you are basically saying you respect only the ricers that can kick your *** stock. But I gotta agree there. I just CANT respect a 4 banger. Its not right and all but thats just how I feel.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

I think that a lot of the guys with V8's (me included) just want to have all the f-body's with 383 strokers and SCd and NOS. It's just we hate to see stock V6 camaro's race against 4 bangers and loose. It's not that we look down on V6 camaro's so much but that we start to feel imbarresed. I have an RS with the LO3, not much of an engine, but still a V8 and it made enough raw torque to beat the rice rockets. I really enjoy seeing the 89 turbo's though, boy can those cars move. You also have to look at what the 305 owners have to go through, we're stuck with 305's while all the 350 guys tend to look down on us for having small V8s. It's tough but you just need to take what info you need from the boards and ignore some of the smart *** reply's you sometimes get.

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I hear all a y'all. I've had my '88 sport coupe for a year now and everybody who knows it's a V6 tears it apart and calls it a POS v6 and 2 cylinders short of a real car. but they never mention what they drive. But here's a thought, who is the one guy who never said a bad thing about my car, and actually looks at my car as being better than his???? My good buddy who has a Red '87 IROC, w/ a L98. It's quick, and t-topped and I love it.... bbbuutt! mine has better paint, is a hardtop and my interior is 1000 times better than his. For instance, he has the plastic shifter ****, whereas mine is leather. but then again, look @ my sig, it doesn't look like a weak V6.




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Red 88' Camaro SC
Aero Spoiler
2.8 V6, 3.42 Open Rear
TCI 3200 Stall TC
B&M Transkit
Forced Air Induction
83 Z/28 Hood
Custom Painted GFX and Rims
2.5" Dynomax Catback
IROC Gages
IROC Taillights
IROC Foglamps
'92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille
BFG Radial T/A
P235/60/SR15 front
P235/60/SR15 rear

Blue '86 IROC Camaro
305 TPI, 3.23 Posi, Auto
ALL options, fully loaded
(first owner = $ rich $)Bone Stock
Pirelli's
P225/50/ZR16 front
P245/50/ZR16 rear

 

Dont worry, by this time next year I will be LT1ed and maybe even SCed.



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

If you are going to have the engine out anyway you may want to put some lower comp. pistons in that LT1 if you want to SC it. So you can put more boost.

 

As a V8' er, I get tired of the 4 cylinder and V6 cars rev'ing at me. Sometimes it is not so much the motor, but the driver. Show an attitude, and you are going to get one back. I have a healthy respect for more than a few V6 Grand Nationals! One of them runs only three tenths behind me. Not bad, considering I am running a 383!. There is even a 4 cylinder Corolla here that runs the same carb I do! It runs 12's on motor. Thats impressive.



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1992 Pontiac Firebird 350/Six Speed
1987 Toyota Pickup 383/500+ HP

 

If you v8 guys are embarassed because of that, then you have some serious personal problems. You want to see all f-bodies with 383 strokers? Then get rid of your 305. Oh- wait- it's not that simple/cheap to do, is it?? Sounds familiar. Don't come in here spouting double talk that makes yourself look stupid.

Funny thing is, I've never shown a V8'er any attitude, yet I get one back constantly. They act as though we don't know that a v8 is better- puh-lease. We're much smarter than that.

As I said though, those V8 guys with the chip on their shoulder aren't gearheads; I guess they're not on my level anyway- even if we both had v8 motors.

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[This message has been edited by TomP (edited November 21, 2000).]

 

You know, its funny...I've never had anyone rag on my car for being a 2.8...honest. My friend's have 3 thirdgens ('86 Sport Coupe 2.8 (he has an '00 T/A too though), '89 IROC 305 TPI, and '91 Z28 350), and they all love my car. Why? There's have had the **** beat out of them, and mine hasn't. There's something to be respected about a 12 year old car that is all original, and yet looks perfect.

I never have any intention of putting an 8 in it. It'll stay a driver while I restore either an IROC or GTA, and when the 6 finally lets go, I'll yank it and rebuild it, adding some go-fast parts. But the car was made a 6, and it'll stay that way. To me, all the power in the world can't beat a nice drive on a warm summer night with the top off, the stereo cranked, and the envious looks from beat small blocks. Who said ya have to have a V8 to enjoy a third gen?

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires,coil/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

 

Well said!


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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
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TB Coolant bypass

 

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posted November 22, 2000 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by ONEFINE8T9:

ARE U HIGH OR SOMETHING??? THERE IS NO WAY A STOCK 6 CYL WILL HAVE N E WHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF TORQUE. NOT EVEN THE 3800S CAN MATCH THE TORQUE OF THAT LG4. My friends 86 z28 (beat on pretty hard) would smoke my friends well maintained 3.1 all day long. dont be overcompident and start getting ****y or one of us v8 guys will give u something to think about.


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Take your V8 and shove it.

...Hows that for ****y?




Thats exactly what Im talking about. ****ing *********!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

i did like how that was worder jason. I should copy that and hang it on my wall, all credits given to you of course. As far as the attitude thing goes, when i was slightly younger, i was a little punk racer, who raced anything, v8, v6, 4 banger etc. It didn't matter, and often times i was beaten, but recently when i beat a 86-90 T/A who picked on me i feel a lot better. I haven't picked a race in a while, and i'm not going to. Let someone show me attitude, and i'll hand it back, without hesitation.

 

kinda thought my name would come up. like i said b4 i didnt do ne thing but stick up for lower out put v8s. I have nothing against u people or ur motors. V6 V8.....still f bods so lets just chill. Hey u guys started to attack me. i only made a joke....

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

thinking about a flowmaster

 

ok, all of you...to the principal's office...NOW!!!!

 

hey dont the little v-6 fiero's run like 15's stock common v-6shave less power bt they are quicker reving andfaster off the line why because they are allot lighter. Also eery time i race my frineds 305 RS i kill him. all m friends are like get a v-8 bla bla bla well i like my 6 and will love it til the day we die we meaning me and my car

 

tt

[This message has been edited by 3.1 firebird (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

yea everyone should drop in a 383 stroker, wow.That would get real boring after seeing half a dozen of them.

And I get few V8's revvin at me. I have NEVER tried to start a race with anyone,yet if I pull up to someone with a mustang I always get revved at. ANd the funny part is I'll rev back and they wont race oh well dont tell them my car is only good for a 16 flat.
to the dude with the 383 (markwinning)... why mess with a small block when there are big blocks. DOnt you realise its easier to make more power with more cubes?

[This message has been edited by 3.1 firebird (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

ttt

[This message has been edited by 3.1 firebird (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

I think it all comes down to how you treat your car. I mean if you dog it all the time then you will have a pos but if you take care of it then you're all good !

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

hey guys. i agree that keping ur 6 is a good idea. Everyone in my neighbor hood tells my friend with his 3.1 bird to get a 350 and i am the on who always tells him to keep the 6. It would be alot kooler to beat one of the big boys with a 6.

Monkie ur also right. 6 or 8 cyl it is kinda hard to find a 3rd gen in nice shape.

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

thinking about a flowmaster

 

'85f-bird and Monkie,

Glad you liked what I had to say...it really is the way I feel too. I've had more positive comments about my car than I can count...all because I maintain it right, and keep it looking new, in and out. I wax it every 3 months, wash it once a week, and vaccum and Armor All the inside every 2 weeks. It seriously does look new.

And every time I take the long way home after a rough day at work or school, its so nice to just take the top off and crank the stereo. When you're cruising down the road, with people looking at ya with smiles when you drive by, and the sun coming through the t-tops, who cares what you have for a motor?

Do I wish my car came with a 305? Sure...but as I said, it isn't the way it came. I may do a few basic mods, but overall, I like a car that's original and in stock condition, especially as it gets older. There's nothing like preserving a future classic automobile.

I used to be bent out of shape about not having a "muscle car" motor, but now I show off whats under the hood with pride. I get way more "wow, that's clean!!" comments than I do "what, only a 6 banger?"

The way I see it, enjoy your time in your car. Hell, the slower we go, the more time we have to enjoy the ride...and to me, that's the most important part.

 

Exactly man! I get so many "wow that looks sweet!" and "Is that a new car?" than "Man you only got a V6?"
Like the man said sure a V8 is nice and fast but like I told myself before I bout my car I had my heart set on a black IROC with T-tops. Thats all I wanted. But I made up my mind because all of the 3rd gens around here are the biggest piece of **** that it didnt matter if I found a V6 RS as long as it was mint that I would buy it. And thats exactly what I got. Just glad I got the T5!!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass