i know i'm gonna get flamed by some v8 guys for actually posting a v6-v8 win, but it happened. And it happened tonight. I'm not sure what year, but it was a 86-90 T/A painted dark blue with silver G/FX. We were both on the highway, and i was talking to my friend, actually explaining to him how the fog lamps worked on TransAm's and how they were intergrated into the G/FX. Well, just then, he looks at me and says, "there's one right now." I look out my window and on my side is some guy driving the blue T/A with his girl in the car. I stare at him for a minute, but didn't think he wanted to race, then he stomps the gas pedal, and switches into the far lane, not wanting to be shown up, i hit the gas pedal and that mean, brand new, 2.8L bored over to nearly 3.0L cranks up, and starts running after him. He passes the guy in front of us, and i stay on his back, he then gets in the lane next to me and continues to accelerate, but so do i. It was a little strange, cause i was expecting to get blown away, but it was really cool, because my friend got to see my 2.8 hang with that 5.0L. So, we kept accelerating,but i started to slowly, and i mean slowly pull on him until i cought up with his door, and slowly inched ahead of him. It was great. I'd say the race was from about 55mph-90 or 95mph. Awesome fun. I guess the new 2.8L has more ***** than i thought it did. So, let's toss up another tally for the V6'ers and my first V8 kill.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder.
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Good kill! I know what ya mean, Ive beaten a 95 Mustang GT badly! See our cars arnt slow at all.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

Congrats!!!,I got the same car you do so it makes me feel good.Mine aint rebuilt but it runs as if it were!Congrats Again!

 

Nice kill, but how do you know it was a 305? Im not saying you cant keep up with them, b/c I beat (stock) 305's all the time, just wondering?

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91 RS Camaro
3.1L
Cat Back System, K&N filter,modified air box, Fastchip Stage 2, 160 thermo, Rapidfires and Bosch Wires, soon to come: Homemade Ram Air,and maybe power pulleys, 5 Air Horns

 

well, i was basing it on the fact that if was a 350 he woulda whooped my butt from the get go. And the car was either a true T/A or a very good duplicate. It had the G/FX and was two tone, plus it also had T/A decals. Also the exaust note was very v8, i've heard some v6's that sound good, and mine even has v8 rumble (stock) but this one was loud and very deep. I have a friend that owned a 1990 305 and towards the bottom it had 5.0 Litre in decal form, but it was low contrast so you couldn't see it that well, but i didn't get a chance to check this guys out. But, i don't wanna go around saying that my car beat a 350. So, 305's good enough.

 

Hahah,good kill. My old RS beat a 5.0 mudstain,I'm guessing because the driver couldnt find 3rd gear?

Anyhow,good kill!

 

Your gonna get flamed by me (a bit)!!

I've been the proud owner of a rebuilt 2.8L and a stock 5.0L and I'll have to say that my 5.0L is MUCH faster at any speed than my 2.8L could ever dream of! Im not denying your win, I'm just saying tht it is highly unlikely' unless you were racing a TBI or a Carbed 5.0L (uh-oh, hope the TBI guys dont see that!) because I have no idea how good they are for racing at those speeds, but I will say that there is nooooo way that was a TPI car that you beat!

But keep on racing, cause I still love hearing victory stories for the good ol 2.8!!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

Just cause it is a TPI doesn't really mean anything!!! Ha, ha, I will agree that it is the best, but I raced my friend at school, who has a 86 IROC 5.0L TPI, and from a stoplight. I took off and he didn't catch me until 60-65 mph. Another time I raced some guy in an 87-90 Z-28. He said he had a 5.0L, and since it was a Z, it had to have been TPI. He never caught me. Both of the cars were automatics, though, so I cannot speak for you manuals...but 5.0 TPI isn't all that, for sure.

DAMN I MISS MY CAR!!!
Vman

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1989 Camaro RS
2.8 V6
K&N's
700R4 tranny
Cragar Street Pro rims (old Series 30)
Pioneer DEH-P3000

1969 Camaro SC
350 HO from a Vette
Turbo 350 tranny
In the process of being restored

 

well, this i can tell you. It was a T/A, or like i said a good duplicate. So that means that it was TPI and not Carbed or TBI. Now the car looked decent, but it wasn't extrodinary looking, almost like the owner does what he can to make it look nice now and again, but doesn't really care. In other words a guy who bought the car, to have a T/A and not because he's in love with them. YOu didn't get to see my updated sig. but in it i said that the car probably wasn't running up to par, in fact it was most likely out of tune etc. But that's his problem, and that's why his car got beat by a little 2.8L. Trust me, i haven't posted any lies on this board, or anything, but you'll just have to take my word. I took out a T/A, which most likely had a Tuned Port v8. But like i also said, i didn't walk all over this guy, i slowly pulled towards him, caught him, and passed him up. That's all.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Well, I'll share my history of racing with/against the 2.8L.

While driving the 2.8, I lined it up with my friends 94 Mustang GT Conv. (stock, auto). He completely destroyed me, it was ugly! Then, in my 5.0, I beat him in a very tight race.

In my 2.8, I raced my dad's 3.1 Grand Prix. I beat him by about a nose length or so. In my 5.0, I gave him about a 50 ft head start and flew past him like he was standing still at about 50 mph.

In my 2.8, i raced a 91 Beretta (170 hp Malibu engine, Flowmaster exhaust) and he tore me apart. In my 5.0, i took him in a relatively ugly fashion.

Just tellin ya where I get my opinions from!

Oh yeah, and I guess I should tell ya that my 2.8 was rebuilt, bored out a bit, new clutch, K&N filter (like that means anything ) and I always had the timing bumped.

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

[This message has been edited by dudelovett (edited November 20, 2000).]

 

Oh yeah, there are indeed carbed/TBI TA's and IROCs!!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

There's a lot more LG4 IROCs running around than people seem to think!

I've seen 3 really nice ones on used car lots in the past year (and a week ago, a mint, original '87 Z28). Needless to say all 4 times I was rather pissed to pop the hood and see a 155hp LG4 lying there. If I'm gonna get rid of my baby (still not that likely), I need some incentive!!

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires,coil/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

 

UH-huh.

 

hey dont underestimate us TBI guys. My friends 87 TPI Z28 would barely keep up when i was stock. Keep in mind that i am a 5 spd and he is an auto. BTW my friend in his 91 bird 3.1 auto tried jumping on me and i worked his *** so bad it wasnt even funny. I saw him behind me and his front end popped up. I put it a good 1/2 way down and he quickly fadded. He was pissed to find out i wasnt all the way on it

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

thinking about a flowmaster

 

Also, who's to say that T/a's motor was in great running condition? The poor 305 might not have had a tuneup in a long time.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

Tom's totally right. The only V8 third gen I hace ever beat in a fair race was a 217k mile '86 LG4 T/A. It went to the junkyard the following week when the tranny dropped.

I dare say if this thing had been in decent shape, he'd have eaten my ***

 

well, that's actually what i wrote down in my sig, that it probably wasn't running all that well. But hey, a win's a win. I didn't know there were carbed and TBI T/A's and Irocs always thought they were TPI. Learn something new everyday. oh yeah, and dudelovett, i didn't consider your post an actual flame, it was done in good taste. Thanx for not trying to rip me apart or anything, having class is appreciated.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Yeah '85 F-Bird, you'd be amazed how many IROCs, Z28s and T/As came with the LG4. As I said, I've seen more than I'd care to...I wish they had made more TPIs...then I'd have a better chance of finding a nice one

 

No flame intended 85F, just chippin my 2 cents!....theres a reason why I still check the V6 board and thats because I kinda miss my 2.8

As far as the LG4 TA's/IROCs go, I saw far too many of them when I was looking for a car!

im confident that a well maintained 2.8/3.1 could take out one of those anyday!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

As far as the LG4 TA's/IROCs go, I saw far too many of them when I was looking for a car!

im confident that a well maintained 2.8/3.1 could take out one of those anyday!


ARE U HIGH OR SOMETHING??? THERE IS NO WAY A STOCK 6 CYL WILL HAVE N E WHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF TORQUE. NOT EVEN THE 3800S CAN MATCH THE TORQUE OF THAT LG4. My friends 86 z28 (beat on pretty hard) would smoke my friends well maintained 3.1 all day long. dont be overcompident and start getting ****y or one of us v8 guys will give u something to think about.


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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
-------------------------
system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

thinking about a flowmaster

 

Take your V8 and shove it.

...Hows that for ****y?

 

Onefine8T9...in case you didnt check my sig, I do have a V8 ********!

And a V8 that has alot more power than yours, so maybe you should be the one watching your mouth!

As far as the LG4 goes, last time i checked, it was only puttin out betwee 145 and 160 hp, and thats a hell of a lot less than a 3800 Camaro!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

[This message has been edited by dudelovett (edited November 22, 2000).]

 

ONEFINE8T9,

Some facts to consider....these tests are new car road tests of (obviously) perfect running vehicles:

2.8: 135hp, 0-60 in 10.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 17.6 sec

LG4/auto: 155hp, 0-60 in 9.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 17.0 sec

3800 V6: 200hp, 0-60 in 7.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.5 sec

Some observations.....

A) A well tuned 2.8 CAN beat a poor running LG4
B) Torque doesn't matter...an LG4 will be eaten by a 3800 every time...it isn't even a contest.

 

I like the stats Jason, and onefine8t9, you sound awfully disgruntled about the entire matter. Oh, Jason, i was also just about to bring up those numbers, i had seen an article on the Racing board where a stock 305TBI ran something like a 15.5, but everyone said that the time would be incredibly good for a 305, especially a TBI since they actually aren't much faster than a 2.8L. I'd think that the 5litre i raced was most likely out of tune, and mine being that it's 600 miles old, is rather "intune" hopefully. Oh get this, i can do a burnout with 1/4 throttle with brakestand, and no brakes if i floor it. luv that new motor.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

oh, as far as the 3800 goes. I have a friend who's 88 TBI 305 caught fire on the highway and toasted everything under the hood, and nearly him too. But he recently got a 1999 camaro with the 3800. I asked him could his v8 take out this v6, and he told me that the v8 didn't have the power to keep up with his new six, even when his 8 was new.

 

And a V8 that has alot more power than yours, so maybe you should be the one watching your mouth!

lol right man. Well if u lived here in good ol buffalo my TBI would kick ur TPIs *** up and down the road. But we will probably never race or even meet for the matter so i dont really care. Just dont go thinking u have the cats *** of 3rd gens couse u have TPI. Im sorry but it really pisses me off when people dont know what there talking about

As far as the LG4 goes, last time i checked, it was only puttin out betwee 145 and 160 hp, and thats a hell of a lot less than a 3800 Camaro!

ya ok race a lowly LG4 in a 3800 with equal characteristics and the LG4 will have the jump. I didnt say it was faster i only said it had more torque. Maybe U should read better "numbnutts"


ONEFINE8T9,
Some facts to consider....these tests are new car road tests of (obviously) perfect running vehicles:

2.8: 135hp, 0-60 in 10.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 17.6 sec

LG4/auto: 155hp, 0-60 in 9.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 17.0 sec

3800 V6: 200hp, 0-60 in 7.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.5 sec

ok so y didnt u compare a 5 spd LG4 to a 3800 auto. those #s for the 3800 are for a 5 spd car. 5 spds care naturelly faster keeping u in ur power band abd getting more hp to the ground than an auto.
Some observations.....

A) A well tuned 2.8 CAN beat a poor running LG4

so?? thats not the point. Do u think that 2.8s are badass couse thay can take out a poor running 8? its like saying a 5 ft tall guy can beat the hell out of the 7ft body builder couse he has no legs. Big deal...


B) Torque doesn't matter...an LG4 will be eaten by a 3800 every time...it isn't even a contest.


ok since when didnt torque matter? Thats what will get u off the line...correct?

onefine8t9, you sound awfully disgruntled about the entire matter

naw it just kinda pisses me off thats all. I mean i hate to see people assumeing that its slow becouse of what its name is. As soon as u hear LG4 or l03 u assume its slow for whatever reason. Isnt that y u guys hate v8 guys??? couse everyone portrias ur cars as being slow couse theyre 6 cyls? to me thats just plain BS.

had seen an article on the Racing board where a stock 305TBI ran something like a 15.5, but everyone said that the time would be incredibly good for a 305, especially a TBI since they actually aren't much faster than a 2.8L.

ok TBI not being much faster than 2.8?? what the hell is the world coming to. That 15.5 time u heard is what a stock 305 TBI 5 spd ran. Since when could a stock 2.8 or 3.1 even get out of the 17 second range.

BTW i have raced like a 97 camaro with a 3800 and walked him all the way to 80. Ya and thats a lowly TBI

 

Take your V8 and shove it.

...Hows that for ****y?


damn....someone is a little touchy. hey man u need to chill. i didnt come on here to start **** with people. i made a small v8 crack thinking that it would be laughed off and now it seems that i am made out to be the bad guy. I have nothing against the v6 guys and i give credit where credit is due. I am only sticking up for the lower out put v8s.

 

Hmmm

A stock TBI - 170 hp/255(?) lbs of trq....3.73 gears that aint doin **** cause your engine runs out of breath at like 4200 RPM

My stock tpi - 205 hp/285 lbs of trq...thats an extra 35 hp my friend and I have raced a 91 Camaro RS before with a full borla exhaust and 3.42 gears and it wasnt much of a contest...

dont tell me i dont know what im talking about, i know who i can beat and who i cant!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

A stock TBI - 170 hp/255(?) lbs of trq....3.73 gears that aint doin **** cause your engine runs out of breath at like 4200 RPM

ok 3.73s aint doin ****?? and last i checked my motor is good till 4800 rpm. Dont think couse u have a higher rated motor means ****. I have a 5 spd that makes up for the poweradvantage right there. The high out put 305s with a 5 spd are faster than the 350s becouse they have autos. So there is ur proof. I also have a gear advantage. Ur peg leg 273 will really get u off the line.


My stock tpi - 205 hp/285 lbs of trq...thats an extra 35 hp my friend and I have raced a 91 Camaro RS before with a full borla exhaust and 3.42 gears and it wasnt much of a contest...

:yawn: where have i heard that b4. look man ur hp advantage isnt ****. Its only 190 hp with the auto cars. so thats 20more hp. meaning 2/10 faster in the 1/4 mile. My 5 spd more than makes up for that. look man i am not here to start **** with u i am only stateing a fact. my car is faster than stock auto equipped tpis. I can take my friends TPI out who has a flowmaster and bbk throttle body with k&ns. that was b4 the gears.


dont tell me i dont know what im talking about, i know who i can beat and who i cant!

well to me u sound like u have no idea what ur talking about. it sounds like ur listening to what everyone else tells u. If u knew who u can and cant beat u would keep ur mouth shut. to be completly honest i really dont care if ur car is faster or not. I dont really like to race my car at all. Tru i have played around a bit but there is to much money into the car to go out and beat on it. So go ahead and hit that 5000 redline some more and we can see how long ur motor lasts or how much u can get out of ur car for that matter.

 

True, true. But if you suck at changing gears then an auto would kick ur *** . But just remember u can hold in the gears longer but he shifts alot faster. So if he got some mods and u didnt... Id put my money on the auto. Just stating the facts



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

ya if he was modded than he would take me (depending on mods) and the result of a race like this is greatly depended on the driver especially for me having the 5 spd.

 

205 hp in the 91's...check it http://www.f-body.org/tech/3rd_gen.htm

Also, not peg leg, posi!

Your car wont be making much power at 4800 RPM, your car will run out of breath before that as will mine.

You say your stating facts, well so am I, I have beat a 91 RS with the full borla exhaust and 3.42 gears, wanna ask him, email him big_bad_maro69@hotmail.com, he'll tell ya!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

[This message has been edited by dudelovett (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

well that great. but this arguement is over. I dont care if its 190 or 205. My car is faster. U beat an rs. woohoo i can list all the cars i have killed but its pointless. i am never gonna race u let alone race my car. I have better things to do with my time than beat on my ride and argue about a race thats never gonna happen. So lets just got on with life.

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
-------------------------
system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/Mikey89.html

 

Hey, thats what I was gonna write

Oh well, come to think of it, we could both be right about this given GM's quality control (or lack thereof) in the mid 80's/early 90's!

I think we should just say **** it and drink to the fact that we're driving nice cars!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

Does it really matter who is faster? NO! So why bitch at each other about it? Both of you are fast. Leave it at that!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

Hey ONEFINE8T9,

Before you go spouting off about my road test stats, ALL cars listed were automatics.
Just because I didn't say it doesn't mean they weren't. Don't believe me?? Go read this month's Car and Driver!!

Your little LG4 fetish doesn't make any sense...it'll get its as* whooped by a 3800. So will an LO3. Torque matters 0-30, but in 0-60, the HP takes over, and bye bye 3.8

 

UH OH! I think we need to stop this before it gets into the 2.8L to 3.1L post!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass