Is this a dumb question? Cause I know Monkie beat a 305 camaro with his 5 speed...Just wondering how much harder it would be to get a mustang...say you have stick and he has auto? Maybe??

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LONG LIVE THE F-BODY!!

 

I beat a 305 Maro, But it was TBI (gotta update my sig cuz i put TPI). But EVERY 5.0 around here smokes my *** , so I don't even try. You don't understand tho, I live in a town where the SLOW 5.0's are in the 13's. Hell, I almost got one for 2500 that was runnin a 13.2 without ANY traction. Kinda wishin.......nah, I love my thirdgen.

 

my sources say no!

 

No, that 5.0L Rustang will weigh 100-200lbs lighter than your Camaro with a 2.8, or 3.1.
Thats a distinct advantage.

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Not a chance in hell!

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Red 1986 SC, 2.8L, rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi, t-tops, 135K miles and counting, K&N air filters, hopefully more to come!

 

I have outrun 2 80's 5.0s and one newer one. 2 of them I was ahead until 40 (that seems to be the magic # that all V8's caught up to me at) and the other guy didn't catch me at all. So it is possible, just not in the long haul. It is funny to see their faces when you take them off the line though!

Vman

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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights

Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4

 

GO TO DRIVING SCHOOL!! If you go to the "school" there will be no points issued to your record. "School" varies from state to state but there will never be points issued. Next time you get a ticket though you can not go to school. It is a one time thing each year. If you challenge the ticket you waive your right to go to school-you'll lose anyways.

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'89 Formula 383 TPI

 

dope!! my bad, put reply with wrong question

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'89 Formula 383 TPI

 

i'd have to say no, although several people have beaten them, i've seen them go and they are pretty quick. They do out produce the 305 in hp too, also they can make one heck of a run with a 350. Some road tests got the 5.0 to go faster than the 350 0-60 and 1/4mile because of the weight difference, and the fact that a 5 litre can have a 5 speed, and 5.7 can't. Anyway, i'd still say no. unless the 5.0 is running on 4 or 6 cylinders.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

well you can't comapare monkie's "kill" because a chevy 5.0 and a ford 5.0 are COMPLETELY different. ford 5.0's compete with 5.7's because they have the same cylinder bore, just a shorter stroke. chevy 5.0's on the other hand have a very small bore and when coupled with crap-a$$ TBI (monkie's kill) are SLOOOOOW. (i guess the $hitty cam doesn't help either )

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Dan
1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)

 

Come on guys let not do this again. Look anything is possible, race a 5.0 with your V6 and see what happens, he will kick your *** . Unless some thing happens, like his wheel falls off, blows his engine, oil pump gives out, blows his engine, etc. etc.
THough in all honesty a good running 87 up 5.0 or 4.6 will spank you. That doesnn't mean all of them will, but those in good working order will. I mean you have a heavier car and less power. Its gonna take a lot fo Mods to get to the 225HP mark, then you need to lose some weight.
I guess what I am saying is it could be done, but not stock to stock, or even with just basic mods to your V6. You will need to do something serious to it if you want to compete with the 5.0 and 4.6 Mustangs.

 

As much as I hate to admit that Kyle F is right,I agree with him. My friend had an automatic 2.8 and beat a 5.0 mudstain...He said the guy was strong through 1st and 2nd but my friend lost him sharply after that. He figures the mustang driver couldnt find 3rd gear or something....But he beat him.

Anyhting is possible...I was just wondering mostly cause Monkie told me about his 305 kill....

Thanks guys.

 

I beat a few 5.0's back in my day, but these guys mainly went for "looks". I doubt they knew what a spark plug looked like. All I had was under 100,000 miles (heh) and a major tuneup. The Mustangs would usually beat me off the line, then I'd catch up and pass them.

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It's possible. Just because it says 5.0 on the side doesn't mean the owner has taken care of it. I beat a 5.0 at the drag strip with my front wheel drive grand prix, and took out a couple of them with my 305, t.b.i. on the street.

Just take the chance, you never know, but I don't think you can take one that's in good shape.

 

It all depends on the driver. I have stayed with a few modded into 2nd gear and got munched on the 2-3 shift. If they dont get a good launch, or u launch before u could hang with or win...

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89 Firebird (AKA "Money")
2.8 V6 w/ t5 tranny (383 tpi t56 12/01)
Flowmaster 80 series, 3" Intermediate, SS Tips, Random Tech Cat, Msd Coil, MSD 6a, Accel 8.8 wires, Cold Air Intake w/ K&N, Lakewood LCA's, Brushed aluminum Hood pins ETC...
Next:
Spohn Torque Arm, Lakewood Panhard bar, BMR Fabrication Sub Frame connectors...
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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

I had a 88 5.0 with the AOD, when it was stock it did 0 to 60 on the stop watch in 6.9 consistantly, it would jump to 7.2 and as low as 6.6. Actually stock wasn't correct if ya add the splitfires, race wires, and a full tuneup... Anyways check my sig, that was done today and my firebird is not all that quick but its not slow against the few other ones around here. I have taken a 88, 91 and a 94 firebird altho the 3.4 gave me problems. The 2.8 was not hard, and the 3.1L was like the 2.8, not hard. I have gone head to head against a 92 5.0 5 speed and while he lost at first, he spanked me after he got traction altho i suspect he was not that much faster as he walked me slowly jumping ahead by a car every shift. He nailed the crap outta me after 60. What i do remember is i had him till about 30ish, my car starts to lag as it shifts (at 45 to 47, or 5700rpm) into 2nd, when i hit second i jumped on him and he again started to pull on me, he hit 2nd and it was over. Unless this 5.0 yer gonna race is not running well OR is a early 80's foxbody ----- forget it.....



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91 Firebird
3.1 w/ K&N filter, 160 stat, No TB heat, Direct Cold air, DynoMax CatBack, B&M MegaShifter, Performance Shift Kit, gasket matched upper and lowered intake manifold, race underDrive pullies, Splitfire plugs, 8.5mm "stock" wires, Jensen CD330X Head unit, Jensen 120watt rear speakers
Stock front speakers,

0-30mph 4.15 Best 3.98
0-60mph 9.11 Best 8.91

Now on the workbench:

Preped 3.1L bored 1mm over, forged rods, Ported and polished GM iron heads, Crane 1.6:1 rockers, PAW Cam 280/290, .443/.465, Holley Commander series fuel management system.

Slowly but surely seeking a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile N/A OR 13.5 running max 9psi boost.

 

i'd have to say, stock for stock that the 2.8L won't win, or 3.1L or 3.4L. We lack several key elemenets to beat the 5.0 in a race, one is a roughly 2 litres, but that's o.k., and can be made up in mods. We also are much much heavier than Fox-bodies, that's what kept them as such contenders in the speed races, while not having to produce anymore than a 5.0 although GM was still putting out 5.7L Maros and birds. The Fox-Body weight advantage is enough to give a L98 Bird, maro, and vette a nice, fun time at the track. while we are talking though about someone who might not know crap about cars. If the person you're racing isn't a "gearhead" or "Greasemonkey" i highly doubt he's done much to improve the running condition of his car, heck, he might not have done anything to maintain the running condition of his car. Also, if he's agreeing to race a 2.8L, there's a good chance he does a lot of racing, there are many people who'd say "I'm not gonna waste my gas on something i know i can beat" (just a fact, i say that to civics all the time) So, you could pull off a victory if the cars not in propper running condition, doesn't necearlily have to have a wheel fall off, or to be running on say 2,4, or 6 cylinders. YOu could still pull off a win on minor things like a fouled plug on one cylinder, bad gas, bad throttle body, clogged intake and exaust ports etc. All are the products of time and age. Also, your chances would be better if the 5.0 was an older model, and not a 90-92 era foxbody. Just a tip. Hey, actually, just prep your car, race a 5.0 and get back to us, i'm dying to hear the results of this one.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Well, nobody can argue that point. We weren't talking about stock-to-stock.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
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i know that tommy, Heck, you know i'm an avid supporter of the 2.8L v6 (the best v6 ever built) I was just speaking my mind. I still do say though that modded the 2.8L could pull it off. Hey, i've got a 4.6L race to post, it'll be up next.

 

You might have a chance against a 94-95 5.0 with an aod, or a sohc 4.6L car with aod but thats about it.

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'88 Mustang Gt Nitroused 351w/c4

 

everyone compares ford's 302 to the chevy 350.. 302's were moreso made for performance, whereas a 305 is moreso for economy.. as for beating a 5.0 with a auto with a 2.8 with a stick, its possible, ive smoked a few 5.slows with my auto 2.8, some even slightly modded.. the thing is, all on windy *** roads where i can outhandle them like a champ, where they're downshiftin and brakin, im accelerating out of a turn.. all depends on the course...

 

No one will dare say any mustang other thasn the Newest Cobras will out handle our F-bodies

 

My 92 Firebird handles well but my 2000 stang handles Alot nimbler but probably pulls only a few more tents of a G in actual cornering. They ride too high. But then again there easy to get into and out of. Also I am not going to be worried about the twisties when I give my F-body a 350HP heart transplant.....

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305TBI FireBird, Holley Intake and TBI, Headers, Torquer Heads, Gears. Best E.T. 15.08 at 92.5, 0-60 6.45.(Before Heads)Summit cam purchased 204-214, to be installed "soon". And maybe a TPI swap,

 

A stock 5.0 stang will take out a moded V6 on a it's(stang's) worst day.Unfortunately it's true.If you happen to beat one, it(the stang)was in a hurtn shape.Sorry.

 

If your car is not stock and you do all you can it would be interesting until about 40MPH then he should begin to really whip it... Drop some 4.10's in and hang to 60... See it is not always about beating a guy it can be the fact he ran his *** off and the 6 was right at his heals the whole time.... Makes your 6 look better and his 8 look weak... Though I have rearely seen a 302 Not modded out....

 

You have a better chance of snow in hell!
Sorry but true.

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92 Camaro 3.1 V6 (Red)
-Hypertech Chip
-Dynomax Exhaust
-Taylor Spiral Spark Plug Wires
-2.5 Harwood Lift-Off Cowl Hood
-B&M Megashifter
-B&M Shift Improver
-15x8 Crager 5-Star Chrome Rims
-JSP Apache Wing
-Yellow Weapons-R Intake Filter
-KYB Shocks & Struts
-Borla Exhaust Tips
-MSD Coil

 

If he doesnt know you are racing him you could win... thats the easiest way to win...

 

this is pretty simple guys, you need more power. my friend has a 87 2.8 firebird(stock) and i race him all the time with my lightly modded IROC. i can't even describe to you how bad i beat him. his car doen't run that bad for a 2.8(10sec 0-60) with my new BFGs i hookup right away and roar away so fast i could suck his windshield off. if u wanna beat a v8 car you gotta have a serious v6, especially if it is naturally aspirated. and getting lucky and keeping up with an unsuspecting v8 car till only 40mph doesn't count as a legit race to me. i think v6s are cool, but they gotta be pretty mean to beat even a stock v8 car(LG4 and L03 motors don't count cause they suck)

 

FINALLY!! A V8 guy that doesn't talk out of his *** ! Lets give it up for superz!

 

Oh just for the records I raced some guy from school. He has a 5.0L red with white stripes mustang with a 5" or so hood on it (i have no idea how he sees over it) so we were racing through the back country roads going to school. Its about 3 miles of windy road and I stomped his *** hard. I dont know if he has an auto or a manual but I kept it in 3rd the whole time and he saw my tail lights for a while then he saw NO car. I dont count it as a kill because we have raced from a dead stop at this red light and he left me pretty hard. They gots some ***** just not on those winding roads.

 

I have a v6 and don't have any problems with those mustangs...However I do enjoy the puzzled looks they give me

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3.8 turbo 20th anniversary transam #497 first owed by Clifford Williams, Bass player from rock band AC/DC

 

try and race an AOD, some of the mid 90's stangs with AOD are only good for a 15.9 or so.

 

You guys need to get serious, I hate mustang 4.9's as much as the rest of you but your NEVER going to beat one with a 2.8. To put this thing in perspective, I will spank you , and a 4.9 will spank me . Get a clue before you post. Later

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Buick Regal
bone stock

 

ouch!!! boy that hurt. i smell a nasty response coming from the v6 camp. i think we already established that it is highly unlikely that a v6 f-body will stand a chance against a v8 mustang. besides shouldn't you be on a buick page instead of harassing the f-body guys here?

 

Good first post dumb *** ! I am impressed that you know about those 4.9L Mustangs! Aren't those kool!? And OH MY GOD! What about that 1993 SS! Why do so many people stick their own foot in their own mouth? I mean ****, if you are gonna cut us down try to make the cut down make sense. And PS the 4.9L mustang that you hate so much will loose to all the V6s here because it doesnt exist.

 

Oh and if you got a 3.8L turbo and a mustang can spank you....please put your car out of it's misery, because its gotta be about to die.

 

Violate, I suggest you drive a 2.8 or 3.1 before you make a sound judgement.
My car couldn't beat one in a legit race (the 89 mind you!), but it could hang with one until about 40 mph (a stock one in good condition). I did outrun one in a legit race, but it was to about 60, and his car wasn't in the best of shape.....

Vman

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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights

Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4

 

calculate the displacement monkie.....before youre the one that looks like the jackass(too late). Violate is right, and he doesnt have a turbo 3.8, otherwise he would have said he rapes you and the mustangs!

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000 stallconverter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
12's?? :crossthumbs:

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

 

Once again monkie makes an @ss out of himself. You should know your competition a little better. The mustang you speak of is a 302, and hence a 4.9. SO it does exsist, and you are a homosexual. Vortec is right, my regal is a 93 3800. BTW, if I had a GN or a t-type that couldn't smoke any stang ever built I would kick my own @ss. Also, the reason I am on this board is to see what kind of mods you guys are doing, seeing as I also have a V6, although it is a 90 degree. If I would've known it was a flame session, I wouldn't have posted. Hey monkie, I hope to meet up with you somtime, either on the street, or in a dark alley. Either way I'll smoke you. To everyone else: keep this board legit, and put monkie in his place when needed(he's still a wee one). Later

 

yea ***ot, but we are talking about a 5.0L mustang stupid ****.

 

come on bitch, you wanna meet in the street. Bring it on woman. You think Im scared of your woman *** ? Please man!

 

And we got 60 degree blocks. You need to be on the 90 degree 4th gen site. So take your **** else where. And you call me a homosexual...lmao, you got a kid? Didnt think so, might wanna stop raping those little boys and a woman might be interest in you. Me personally I get all I want from the girls, so no *** here. Oh, and they all love my car. Too bad the same doesnt follow for you.

 

Violate, that's the best you can contribute to this website? Take your non-tech garbage to http://www.nethirdgen.org , where Macguyver has allowed non-tech discussions.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

is there any way we can block monkie from this site, he seems to be the root of all the childish conflict here. i mean c'mon guys this is a tech site, not a chat at MSN that you can come and start stupid fights. both of you sound real tough sitting in front of your computers at home, but i bet if we were all here in person neither of you would be talkin trash because you are both little pubescent boys who want to sound tough by swearing and calling eachother women and homosexuals??!! what the hell does that prove? this is a car website, not a childs playground. 'nuff said, now moderator lock this useless forum. im sick and tired of listening to these 2 clowns

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jeremy snyder

 

Ok, Monkie and Violate are both out of line. Everyone needs to chill and remember the reason we're on this site (technical support, remember?). Calling people names and arguing over who would win a race, and trashing people's car is not helping anyone.

Also, a key factor in determining who will win a race is NOT stock factory HP, unless, the cars are indeed, stock, and straight from the factory. Driving styles are different as are engines. I can drive 2 cars the same way, and the way they react, and degenerate could vary. Beating a 4.9 (if you want to be **** and technical about what MOST people know as a 5.0) is possible. However, it would take a well-kept, modded 3.1 (or 2.8), and a worn out 5.0. Also, the 3.1 would probably be a standard tranny w/ a good driver, and the stang either an auto or a standard w/ crappy driver. So in any of these posts of who would beat who, remember....even if it's UNLIKELY, doesn't mean it's not possible.

I AGREE with Super tho, this post needs to be locked.

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See pics @ Billy's Firebird
92 Bird 3.1L Auto
Best $750 I ever spent....
DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!
Kills:
93 Mustang LX (Before Mods)
98 or 99 Dodge Stratus (tough one, edged out at 40)
92 Camaro RS 305 TPI
97+ Honda somethin or another...modded....kept at my door the entire way
Close Calls
94 Grand Am 3.1 V6
92 Cavalier 3.1 V6
01 Porsche 911 Turbo (Had em till first gear)
Mods-Jet Stage 2 Performance Chip, Accel Cap/Rotor, Accel 8.8 MM Wires, Accell Coil, AC Delco Rapidfire Plugs, Dynomax Catback, K&N
AIM name OVRCLCK350

[This message has been edited by Ovrclck350 (edited March 01, 2001).]

 

No clck he is saying I need to be blocked. LOL, Alls I gotta say is people dish crap out to me and it comes right back at them. Board or in person, doesnt matter.

 

double post. sorry

[This message has been edited by Monkie (edited March 01, 2001).]

 

yeah monkie you are a real hardass

 

just tellin u how it is. I never said I was a hard *** . Although my *** is kinda boney.

 

Id pay money to watch Kyle beat the **** out of you, that is assuming I didnt have access to do it myself!