Hey guys heres the problem my car won't start.....af 1st it started then cut off as soon as it started now it won't turn over just the rrrr...rrrrr. ya know how it is...so if u have n e ideas tell me..if not i sellin it and buyin a MUSTANG

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1988 Camaro RS 2.8L exhaust runs about 190hp. Kills all those rice boys and euro trash cars.
(KILLS) 1987 Honda Accord LXI, 1994 Honda Accord EX, 1997 VW Jetta, 1995 Camaro Z28, 1993 Honda Prelude SI, Dodge Intrepid, 1990 Nissan 240SX, 1989 Ponitiac Firebird, 1990 Pontiac Formula Firebird

 

Started & stalled, eh? Could be the MAF. Read this just-posted message: https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/001580.html


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
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My .02, go buy a mustang, you give the 6's a bad rap talking about a 190 hp V6 with only an exhaust, and your little pipe dream about an all aluminum 2.8.

Otherwise, just replace your starter.

-Reno

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89 Formula

 

1st of all reno what are you talkin about aluminum heads..i'm asking for help about a problem i don't need ur opinion on this and that....TomP thanks for helpin me out because the link you send sounds like my car..Reno thanks for the input but it wouldn't be the starter..thanks n e way........ya and it looks like i give the 6 a bad rep cuz it broke down like all cars don't brake down

 

Glad you hopefully found your problem. I believe what Reno is talkin about aluminum heads is that someone (dunno who ????) alluded to the fact that you sound like the guy who posted saying he was an aerospace engineer and had a specially built all Aluminum GM 2.8L engine, and carbon fiber body panels, and could go 180 in his V6. Then in another post, he said that he didn't know much about engines, was wanting to change his 2.8 for a 305 and couldn't afford a wiring harness.

BTW, we're all still wondering how you figure a 50HP gain with just exhaust. Can you please link us to this exhaust place? I think we all need some. And I'm still wondering how you figure you beat a 95Z unless either he wasn't racing, burnt a clutch, missed 2nd and 3rd, or what......

 

Whats up w/ all the crybabys threatening to go to the mustang? Is that some new sympathy attempt?

Are we/they supposed to react with "We cant allow that! We need to help the lad!" Cause if so, it isnt working. Im of the opinion "Let the lad go, if he feels he has to threaten to get help, he shouldnt be driving an F-body."

Dont get me wrong, asking for help is fine, desperately asking for help is fine, threatening that you will go to a mustang if you dont get help isnt fine.

To keep this one technical, l reckon it
could be your #5 spark plug wire.

Clayton

[This message has been edited by El Guapo (edited April 28, 2001).]

 

ok guy the 95Z was a hunk of ^*&^ and the guy didn't know how to race stick....it was like he just stole the car and took it for a cruise........well the 1st post is probably right but thanks to the other guys who tried..and no i'm not the aluminum head guy and i've never read that post so y don't u check the member name instead of accusing!!

 

But what about your exhaust (do you have headers, pics)? I would love to see what you have!!!

 

I didn't say you were him. I know his username. I just said that you remind me of him.

 

On another post there was some post about Fiero parts with th 2.8 engine and the 2.8 Chevy engine...well i bought some headers off one of those sites that he linked and i got them and slapped them on and got a whole Flowie catback and then i dynoed it and it said 187 so i rounded up to 190.

 

Got any pics? What other mods do you have? Cause we all know that exhaust mods wont give you 50hp.

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91 RS Camaro
3.1L
Cat Back System, K&N filter,modified air box, Fastchip Stage 2, 160 thermo, Rapidfires and Bosch Wires 5 Air Horns
Stereo: Clarion Deck, 2 12' Kicker CompVR's, IX702

ICQ: 65384740

My Car ( Now w/ Stereo)

 

i have the ram air....i've got new ignition and plugs n wires....and thats it i think..

 

Got any pics? Or that dyno sheet? I'm still calling your bluff by a long shot....unless i see that dyno.....

[This message has been edited by Garmer (edited April 28, 2001).]

 

You can call my bluff all day but bottom line is thats what is says..i mean what reason would i have to lie its all of us V6 member who help each other out rather car is slow or fast we're like a little family...so what purpose would that do...Think about it man..as soon as its fixed and i get a chacne i will dyno it and then show u..i'll send it to IL if i have to just so you will belive me JEEZ

 

New Ignition, Plugs/Wires, and exhaust will NOT give you 50HP though. That's what we're trying to say. We're just thinking that maybe you are confused.

 

You did check to make sure the dyno switch was on "Real" instead "*****", right? Had a couple of friends who made that mistake.

 

believe it or not it doesn't matter to me cuz its my car and i have nothign to gain for a stupid lie but since its true then it sucks for you people who think its not...so whatever ya know.....

 

New ignition, plugs and wires will not give ANY HP, it'll only restore what was lost by the faulty parts, and maybe give you stronger pull throughout the RPM's. You'd definately FEEL the difference, but still that only restores your engine back up to as close to 140 as your engine's good for. THEN, the exhaust is MAYBE 10. So, you're lookin at 150, not 190. Explain the other 40HP. If you have a secret we're missing, we want to hear.

 

oh yah, Ram air....good for about 5HP on our 6's. So you're at 155. Did you dyno it with a Gtech? Because even I can put the weight in wrong and dyno 300HP.

 

i have headers with the true dual and 2 80 series mufflers....but here a serious quick question..which is better a turbo muffler or the 80 series...what is the difference between them

 

I'd prefer a Turbo muffler. I believe they're higher flow and quieter.

Still though, that's not going to give you 50HP. Our exhausts aren't quite THAT restrictive. If they are, I'm on my way to a cutout real soon. That poses another question. How do cutouts sound on our cars?

 

They're quiter..i thought louder because of the mors air coming out????

 

My turbo's quiet. 80-series blocks airflow to make the exhaust resonate and give a louder sound. A turbo (I could be wrong on all this, but it was exlained to me this way) simply just muffles the sound without affecting the airflow too much.

 

correct me if i am wrong but it soudns like ur saying the more noise the less airflow....how can that be true i mean the 80 series is top of the line....turbo mufflers give hp boost of 15-20 a muffler but are they really quiet????? can someone else verify what ovrlock is sayin

 

How did you get headers on your 2.8?

As for clock, he's the man. I don't know the technical, but I do know that dynomax are damn near stock in sound, but flow better then ANYTHING else (except Borla, but those are a class of their own).

As for cutouts, 3.1 Firebird drove his 'bird open headered to the exhaust shop (since he fabricated his own headers), and said it was deafening, if I remember correctly.

-Reno

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89 Formula

 

so ur sayin borla turbo mufflers r the best..if they make them??? i bought headers and put them on thats how

 

That's really fascinating, seeing as how if you were an informed member of the board, you would realize no one makes headers for F body 2.8's.

But what do we know? I mean, you're the man, right?? Got that 190hp 2.8 beating Z's....you must be doing something right.

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 90k miles

'97 Z28 w/30th Anniversary package
LT1 (obviously), 6 speed, t-tops
White with orange stripes, killer system, 41k miles

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

I'm not saying that more noise equals less airflow, but in my experience yes. On some not enough to be noticed, but after comparing various charts the turbo mufflers although quieter would outflow others. Also, the 1/4 mile times went down way more on the turbos because there was less restriction on WOT. The other mufflers like most flowmasters as far as I know, are valued on their sound, so in order to get it loud, they actually change the airflow paths in the muffler (it still all exits anyways) in such a way that makes the exhaust resonate, and thus decreasing flow a lil bit.

I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the GOD on exhaust, but everything I've heard/seen points to this conclusion: TURBO OUTFLOWS 80'S BUT 80'S ARE LOUDER.


3.1 Firebird (or anyone)...does the cutout although deafening make our cars sound RICY? I know I'll lose a lil bottom end, and I know it'll be loud (not usually a fan of that) but does it sound ricy like most mufflers on our cars. BTW, for clarity, I'm not implying that a cutout is a muffler by no means.

 

BTW, Dynomax unless you can afford Borla, ALTHOUGH after seeing the charts, Borla's just BARELY, and I mean BARELY above Dynomax.

Although, it'd be smooth to be able to say, "Yah, it's Borla"

 

thanks for the 411 on the muffler seen..now i know they don't make headers stricty for the 2.8 camaro but is it for the 3.1 or 3.4 maro's too. o and Jason E since ur such a big shot and wanna be a hard a$$ if u read my post about the fiero headers fitting the 2.8 maro with some adjustment then you would know that so next time shut ur mouth and read before u open ur mouth on stuff u dunno!!

 

They don't make them for the 3.1 either. And yes, you can customize some headers to work, but still, you won't have that much of a gain. hell, even with open exhaust you wouldn't pick up 50HP on our engines.

 

do they make them for 3.4 or 3.8??? cuz the car i see has 3.8 200hp stock add headers n the duals......in my car now i might have some unfair advantage..but i don't say cuz its an handicapp...

 

September 13, 2000
So yes, they do make them for the 3.4. Now what are you saying about a 3.8? I'm sorry, I didn't quite follow you.

 

What advantage do you have in your car?

 

sweet muffler- ravin.com
sweet 3.8 headers- thrasher.com
camarovroom- LIAR, you wont get 50hp from anything but the squeeze. PS, did your car dyno 190 at the RW? unless you pulled the motor or g-teched it you did. That is some serious bull$hit either way. I have a FWD w/ 205 hp, and you a RWD w/ 190(or so you say), and I'd say RWD makes up for the 15hp on the launch, so that about evens it up. Go find a regal 3800 and test out your 190 hp on the street. You will see that you are sadly mistaken. Don't blatently lie on the board, it just pisses people off.

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Buick Regal
bone stock

 

Okay, camarovroom.
So you think you get 18-20 hp per muffler? Where did you put the 2 mufflers? And if you have your new plugs wires and Ram-air, AND headers, that must be good for at least 240 HP total

People are just calling you on your BS. If you truly had your car dynoed, which I truly doubt, then prove it. I don't care what exhaust mods you have done. I have headers and a flowmaster 80 series with 2.5 inch pipes and no emmisions and my 305 V8 doesn't even dyno 190 RWHP!

please answer the following questions.

1. At what RPM did your engine record your peak HP numbers.

2. What were your peak torque numbers?

3. What shop dynoed your car? Got a phone number?

The only reason we are riding your tail like this is because this appears to be major BullSh!t. Prove us wrong, or admit that you're full of crap and move on.

The line has been drawn.

Chris

 

I'm calling bull on the headers. Supposedly, CamaroVroom, you "found & ordered" the headers on April 18th. Then, you come on here April 28th, and claim that you "got them and slapped them on".

I doubt it. I've seen the Fiero headers before, and because they're for the sideways engine, if those headers were put onto our cars, it looks like the collector would be aimed directly at (and probably hitting) the firewall. Those would've needed more than 10 days of work!

I also doubt the dyno claim. If you did in fact have those mods done to your car, you wouldn't get 190 (or 187) hp. If you did, then prove it- and don't rehash some old V8 dyno scan, either.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
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Hehe...nice work Tom. As I was referring to CamaroVroom, you said you bought them and slapped them on. I said no manufacturer makes them. I never said you or someone else couldn't MODIFY a set of them to fit our cars.

Why don't YOU read the posts next time around, eh?? And stop being a jackass and telling us your exhaust gave you an extra 50+ horsepower. I could put the best headers/y pipe/cat back on the '97 and never come close to 50 extra HP. And that's an LT1, not a 2.8. Jackass

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 90k miles

'97 Z28 w/30th Anniversary package
LT1 (obviously), 6 speed, t-tops
White with orange stripes, killer system, 41k miles

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

hey Jay if that was suposed to be a comeback it sucked....well if u are around the connecticut area or the western mass area come with me or race me then we'll see cuz i have nothing to prove to you guys or nothing to loose so bring it..if u v8 guys beat me then thats godo but it not u should be ashamed and if ur v8 puts out less than 190 its time to move up or put some mods on!!

 

I am going to lock this post b/c it got off the topic and has just turned into an arguement.