92bird

I have a v6, and I want to make it faster if possible...What mods or turbo should I consider?

3.1 v6
flowmaster exhaust
pacesetter tips

AmateurCarGuy

SUPERCHARGE IT!!!

92bird

What kind??? Also is it better to get a 3.8 buick engine and throw it in (cheaper?). I just need some details and info. I have a limited budget but could come up with 1500 or 2000 dollars.

Camaro_hunter_d

well this is a topic that has been gone over a million times. Well there is a company that used to make a roots type blower for the 2.8. SO yes that S/C would work on the 3.1 /3.4 as well.

Now as of yet no one makes a turbo "kit" for the RWD 2.8/3.1/3.4, I personally plan on rectifing that with my engine/Camaro(3.1) After I see how the base engine handles it and see what needs to be replaced I may offer a subsiquent kit(I finally got my bussiness license yesterday!!!) so it'll help.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

If you have the serp belts, see about supercharging. I just got back from vacation and have my newly pilfered ..... aquired turbo. It is from one of those turbo mustangs (took a bullit, because it just needed to). With the manifolds it's pretty big, but the charger itself is small, just the right size for the engine bay. I now have the luxory(sp?) of researching this thing to find out what psi it is, the oiling, and where to get a rebuild kit (been sitting 'round being a doorstop a few years)
3.8 turbo is good, remember to get matching trans ( 200-4R), see if what happens when you put a 3800 series I/II in the car, those things are fast!!!!!

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85 Firebird. $150.00
2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived ,
or at least getting the title in my name

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1991tealRSt-topGuy

WOW hunter, your really into this stuff, huh?

that's REALLY awesome of you to try to develope parts for the 60* V6 as most other companies are blind to the fact that there is a market for such parts

cool dude

Project: 85 2.8 bird

hey hunter, if your not in a hurry, i can be test vehicle 2, nudge nudge, wink, wink..

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85 Firebird. $150.00
2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived ,

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Camaro_hunter_d

LOL .... well here the list of probs I have come across so far with the initial Idea of turbo'ng.

1. The comp WILL NEED A CUSTOM CHIP.
2. Exhaust routing. Have looked it over and I think I have a solution for that.
3. Oiling is no biggie, real easy as a matter of fact. I am just debating on 1 or 2 oil coolers.
4. The Intercoller.(yes I want one) they do amazing things. Yet again I think I have this one liked but some SERIOUS modifacations are going to have to be made. I am looking at 2 diff places. Under the hood and of course the center opening of the front end.
5. The tranny... I got a manual so it'll take it. The 200R4 is well....?????
6. With my set up I am going to use no less then 4 computers in the car!. 1 ECM, 2 Ignition, 3 boost controler and 4 boost timer(yes timer not the kind that keeps the car on) but actually helps stage the boost at certain RPM's. After all this I am not sure if I am going to add a fuel comp or not. I know the ECM in mine will have VERY little to control.
7. Suspension. Parts available not a problem.
8. Fuel system. other then the existing lines and tank. It all gets yanked and replaced with (a real) High pressure system.
9. I am going to try to run 16-20 on the block and see what happens(if it blows I got a 383 and I will be building a 4.3 to swap into it anyway so..... But I will run the boost in stages I:E; 10 PSI first. 15 PSI second ect ect... I will record the engines info with a lap top(a wiring hook up can be made) and scrutinize it.
10. Overall underhood heat. It will get very hot under there so the entire underside will have to be lined with heat flashing.

And last but not least the Turbo thing is not the only thing I will be making. I plan on aluminum valve covers, crank scraper, windage tray for oil pan. A mini ram intake, headers, good Y pipes... I have a few other ideas but these are the first to be realized and be put into effect. I was thinking of a Vortec S/C adapter as well.... Any other questions you may have please post and when I get started I will look into it. You will know when my buss gets off the ground because I plan on becoming a sponsor and get a diff name to post with.

Camaro_hunter_d

Sorry but Yes I VERY INTO THIS. That 4.3 I am building this winter(hopefully) to be a LS1 Killer!.(Vette version) I want to get 400 or so outta the 3.1 and over 550 on the 4.3. I want to run 10's on the 4.3.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

What's that compression on the 3.1? I kinda want my 2.8 to last , but then it had 9:1 from factory, 17 yrs ago so, I might be safe....

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85 Firebird. $150.00
2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
turbo has arrived,

Camaro_hunter_d

well you can get pistons... I would like it to be around 7.5-8-1

87RS402

http://s10-4x4.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...541&forum=30&3

I read this tonight while I was surfing around. I don't know if it can be adapted, but for the $ you can't beat it.

Jiffy

The turbo thing is an awesome progect, but I want more info on the supercharger.



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Jeff
92 Camaro V6, mods: K&N, modified air box, JET chip 2,Dynomax Cat & Cat Back System
www.camarors.4t.com

KED85

Pick up the latest issue of SuperChevy.
They list vendors, also.
Centrifical is the set up for our 60* V-6.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Xenodrgn

TealRSt-top... When you do the valve covers, what about making them a little taller to support 1.6 rockers?

Another head solution (other than porting)...

Possibly building performance HO 2.8/3.1/3.4 blocks (with the distributor in a user friendly area)...?


I dunno, those are just some ideas...

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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

614Streets

Guys here is my 2.8 ***eol supercharger, works on 2.8 3.1,and 3.4's . It only works with tbi s10's and varajet carbureted f-bodys, no mpfi! I just bought it on ebay for $550!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...item=595252166

No one stands a chance against me now.

http://614streets.com/

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1992 ext cab S10
173 on NOS, 5153Nos,Black Magic,2030 Crane Cam,11mm Moroso Wires, MSD 6al, MSD Blaster Coil,K&N,Holley Tbi, Edelbrock Headers,40 series Delta Flow,Zexel,Toms 28 spline axles,Hypertech chip, Granetelli 190 lph, Centerforce Dual Friction,Jet pulleys,Spray Bed Liner, Altezzas,Pioneer din 1/2, 01 Vette wheels, Harwood 4 inch hood, and Much more...

Camaro_hunter_d

Actually the parts to be made was me not teal t... But thats no biggie... That ***eol thing is what was going around a while back. But there are certain problems with it. Like the induction portion!. It does not support MPFI so it'll be a biatch to fuel it. Not to mention the impervious hole in the hood... That kinda makes it REALLY obvious... But that can be a good thing so...

And yes I was going to be making the valve covers to clear 1.6 rockers so no more hammering will be needed.

Camaro_hunter_d

Ok I was interested in getting some more detailed oics of the ting if you can get them. Try to center the pics with a Overhead side view looking down at the runners to the heads. And if you could get some that may show some of the intake tubes(that go from the 'charger to the head. If you can get these please email them to emerald_iles@yahoo.com. I have an idea.... and these can be a good thing if I can do what I am thinking(but I am pretty sure I can) with some provisions....

I think if I buy one of these things(I may even might become a distributor Hoping) since I got my bussiness license! WHOO HOO, that these could be modded to work with MPFI...

CaliCamaroRS

Sure looks like that S/C'er is sitting on a V8 intake manifold....were those photo's taken by the seller??

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-Dan
-1990 3.1L RS
-Mods? no
-Slow? yes
-Currently collecting parts for T5 swap

AmateurCarGuy

Guyz the Supercharger has been sold

85f-bird

i'm stuck on the turbo setup...i'm trying to accquire an old turbo to rebuild...you guys should check out this link. It's a turbocharged 3.4L fiero, said they're running 13's with near 300hp. 0-60 in 5.2 roughly.

http://members.nbci.com/dlagrua/turbo.htm

it's good stuff, and you can e-mail questions to the guys there. But, soon enough, that'll be me, gotta have that turbo.

Brian K

The super looks awsome... If I had the energy to convert to TBI or if it was MPFI I would jump on it. Pitty they don't make them anymore. I would like to see a paxton side mount on one of our cars..

614Streets

Actually F A G EOL used to make mpfi fiero superchargers. Look thats not on a v8 manifold. It has all oem sensors and egr ports. !!!!!It only works on tbi or varajet carburetors!!!! I used to own a varajet 84 firebird s/e. And one other thing, Mark still has plenty of superchargers left. They are $1500 for tbi complete, and $1250 for carbed versions.

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1992 ext cab S10
173 on NOS, 5153Nos,Black Magic,2030 Crane Cam,11mm Moroso Wires, MSD 6al, MSD Blaster Coil,K&N,Holley Tbi, Edelbrock Headers,40 series Delta Flow,Zexel,Toms 28 spline axles,Hypertech chip, Granetelli 190 lph, Centerforce Dual Friction,Jet pulleys,Spray Bed Liner, Altezzas,Pioneer din 1/2, 01 Vette wheels, Harwood 4 inch hood, and Much more...Just bought a ***eol 2.8 Supercharger!!!!!!

KED85

Boy, has his price dropped from the $2500 his was charging back in the late 80's!!!
It's still a pretty unit, tho.
That's definetly a V-6 intake. Count the push rod holes. See 6 per side?
Centrifical Superchargers are the way to go for our MPFI set ups.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Brian K

The question is can we get that type and who does it.

Black 86 'bird

That is some nice looking equipment. I'd love for that to be sticking out of my hood..

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2.8 mpfi
My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series
check my home page for pics

rx7speed

just get a haltech
they are able to controll all of that and more
it is a stand alone ecu that you can program with your own PC. they cost around 1000-1500 though and prolly just as much to tune but they are well worth it

here is there website addy http://www.haltech.com/


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Camaro_hunter_d

hmm I can get the Proms/Bins from the 3.1 V6 turboed grand prix's. Thats a better starting point then a stand alone ECM that has to be wired into the system. With that program(BIN) You can still use the factory ECM.

rx7speed

one of the reasons I was talking about a haltech is that if you do anything else to the system you can always go in and reprogram it. also you can control just about every single thing the computer does.

I agree they are not cheap though and if you are tring to save money then dont go with then. just if you are going all out or wanting to be on the safe side and get the most out of your car there is nothing better