ok i run 15.80s in the 1/4 with sticky tires no gigle gas i have a 700r4 and i have well had it out about 3 or 4ish times im so sick of seeing that thing lol
im thinking about a t5 5speed swap cuse its a lighter tranny and maybe i can get some more power to the gound i dont race every weekedn and i dont race for points ? so tell me what you think pleas.

 

Well if your not into racing for winning Et's based on consistancy and reation times then a stick would be more fun and youd gain a good 5% back from the drivetrain loss. Personally i race for points and i love the Auto, it might soak up a few extra HP but it shifts faster and more consitant then a stick ever will(some shift firmer also). And its so easy to run the same time consistantly all night.

Also the auto does weigh a little more but im not sure how much.....15-35lbs???? Never had a stick thirdgen before. Only the 700r's

But if i didnt race it like i do, i would want a stick, since its funner to drive arround.

15.80's in the 1/4?? What have you done to it?? Alot i would think since (auto 3.1's) are running low 17's stock.

 

i have done my self is a cone filter and cat back and built trany and msd setup thats ll i know of the car sounds like it may have a cam idk not sure never seen a v6 camaro the had a stock motor that didnt have the oem muffler on it i have been told its got a 3.4 and that gmpp did it and that there is 5 92 teast cars out there that are v6 teast car idk not sure have also been told there is 80s 2.8 v6 turbo cars out there agin idk

 

So your saying all you have is a cat back ex. system put in, a little better air filter set up, got a built tranny, and have a msd ignition setup??? Any your running 15's????

Is anyone else woundering how he got a 15 sec car out of those mods?? just sayin.......


Got any time slips to prove it????

Back to topic though..... id go with the manual tranny if you can find one cheep in good shape and are able to put in it.

 

i take it you didnt read my post sire

 

I've had both a auto and a 5 speed tranny with a 2.8. Both are slow, but the t5 is more fun to drive. It at least gives the illusion of sportiness.

When I was shopping for a third gen a couple of years ago I specifically wanted the t5 because I have problems with my 700r4 in my other car. It came down to a reliability issue

Don't fool yourself into thinking it will make a huge difference in the performance of the car, only the feel

Now I'll say this, if you have a good 3.4 in your car, and you massage and tweak it, you can easily wind up with a 200HP car, which will at least put you somewhere in between the tbi v8's and the TPI. combine that with the lighter weight of the v6 and the t5, and I bet your car would be pretty fun to drive, even if you have a heavy right foot

 

Sorry this is so off topic....But, im confused on this post... what mods do you have that make your car a 15' sec car???
Dif. filter, catback ex, built tranny, msd ignition,thats it???

Im waiting for the time slip Ill post mine of you post yours!

 

Not necessarily true. No fun driving an auto in a straight line if you know it's going to push 15.xxx the whole time. With a stick you may run 14s to 16s but once you get in the feel of it, you'll throw back better numbers than an automatic ever will.

 

I'm going to call on the 15 sec 1/4 mile until the slips are posted. Half of what you've said isn't being backed up ANYWHERE, especially the "92 test car V6's". I'm willing to bet that if and when you pull the heads on that engine, you're going to find out it's a 3.1.

At any rate, the weight loss between a 700R4 and a T5 is a little more than 35 pounds... I can carry my T5, but forget about even lifting my 700R4 (which is still in the garage)...

 

I know my stock 305 with a WC t5 & my 358 HSR conversion...I was very consistent on my MPH, reaction & time just takes a dozen or so runs to get use to the lights

 

Ok hands down... and auto is what Drag racing consist of. Look at any real Et's racer. No way is a stick more consistant then an auto if the same person is driving. Some ppl can just shift awsome in manual cars, buts thats rarely the case. And even if they do the auto still shifts more faster and consistant.


For fun, ya a stick is supreme!!
In Drag racing, auto is supreme!!

I can cut a .0$$ light every time at the line no matter what and be with in a tenth of my dial in with out sandbagging, constantly.

Still waiting for those times slips.....

 

Heres a few of the last ones i had this year( time slips ) i know its only a 16.79 and a 16.84 but its decent. My best was a 16.62 but that was on a perfect night!!! Those nights are rare.

See those rt' times .040 and .048. That was after i messed with the PSI in the front tires because i kept red lighting so I took a little too much out but still the rt's are respectible but I ususally do alot better then that... consistant as can be with a auto tranny!

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/6...un-better.html

 

my brother and i raced our stock 305 TBIs a few years back, my 89 Camaro RS with 60,000 miles 700R4 open headers Vs his 140,000 mile stock 92 RS T5 and he beat me by a good 2 cars up to around 110mph with me having 3.23 gear and a possi getting a good half a car off the line. My brother having stock 3.08 gears and open diff he reeled me in at about 60mph. I think he had a factory freak lol.

 

ill get time slips up soon and i have pulled the motor out its 3.4l v6 and it has a small cam in it wish i could find headers and some roller rockers.
58mark tel me some more i have been on the form for years ben poking here and there you say 200hp is easy how easy thow im geting to the point were i just want to swap in a tpi v8. alot of ppl talk **** on tpis idk why i like them
but the wireing kinda worrys me if i do a swap i want it to look stock not a rats nast.

 

IF you are legitimately running 15.8s(I also have difficulty believing this, unless the car did in fact have a 3.4 swapped in at some point, and even then seems a little high for the mods listed) then you are already at ~200hp, considering a stock 3.8 4th gen runs 15.7 and has 200hp 240tq.

 

myabe at the fly wheel? most of my time came from i cut .001 at the rt and hook realy well stickys on the back two

 

Rt's have absolutly nothing to do with the time you run in the 1/4 mile. The clock doesnt start on you time till you move, so in turn you could have a .934 reaction compared to a .030 reaction and still run the same time. Rt's only matter in Et racing if your racing another person.

I rememebr running my high 16's and the guy in the other lane ran a low 16's but i crossed the finish line first. I clearly had alot better RT then the other guy. Thats the concept on how the timer works at the drag strip.

 

And to answer the OP's question, yes, a t5 will sap less power from the drivetrain, a manual is a must if you want to autocross, however if you plan to drag race, a built auto is better, at the end of the day its about preference, and what if any, kind of racing you do. Ideally there would be a manumatic out there that we could swap, as they are the best of both worlds, but that isn't the case.
t5
*lighter
*less power loss at drivetrain
*more gratifying to drive hard
*mpg
~can become annoying to some people
~subject to the ability of the driver when it comes to going fast

auto
*shifts itself for when you don't feel like it
*shifts faster, idc what anybody says, a human being can't outshift a machine
*no missed shifts
~roughly twice as heavy
~more drivetrain loss

 

Good post.

I would add reliability to the list of benefits of the t5 over the spotty reputation of the automatic

 

Also true, though depending on whether its the tremec or WC, it might not be able to handle a lot of power.

 

true, but since we are in the V6 forum, I ignored that little fact. I don't think most of have the power to shred one of them...

 

Also true, though I figured it wouldn't hurt to throw it out there.

 

Well, unless you rebuilt the aging 700R4 first and started with a late-model core so you know the guts are good, the same could also be said for the auto.

T-5:
Less parts to fail (and in most cases, more difficult to make said parts fail)
Cheaper to repair (in most cases except the high-powered split maincase), may even be done by yourself if you have the time, tools, and a manual
Downsides are that upgrade parts (bronze shifter cup and shift fork pads, short-throw shifter) are not cheap (shifter is 3x the price for our F-bodies on average versus the same shifter for a F0rd or other vehicle) but upgrading is easier in most cases, and a lot of mounts don't last long with a decent amount of power if track driven often, not to mention the poly mount tends to cause nasty vibrations

700R4:
More prone to clutch failures if not rebuilt before engine is upgraded due to the fact that any number of them have been abused by current and previous owners
Rebuild kits aren't cheap but either along the same price as or possibly more than a T-5, depending on NWC or WC trans
Upgrade parts aren't as cheap (converter, valvetrain springs and valves, pump parts, 2-4 band, clutch/steel packs, the famous Corvette servo)
More parts to fail and cause failures (don't forget the TV cable and cooler lines along with the cooler in the radiator)
In most cases, forget about rebuilding the 700R4 yourself... Requires any number of special tools to release clutch springs and what not so even a simple piston seal can be changed.

 

ill put it wthis this way yes i did run pionts and et setup for one yer not a big fan so i will never do it agin i love autocross and my first stock 92 redo of the trany had the v6 stuff week later from a did stand still i killed the sunshell and the sprags this was on street tires and on the street toke it back out and the guy had to put in the vett stuff still feels like its going to blow up from time to time and it feels as the motor is geting held back alot.i have posted thing on here and every one says my car should be out of air at 48ish rpm well mine pulls harder the fast the rpms idk why and i have not vavle flot i have see ppl say thay cant burn tires from just standing on it i can put doe 5 to 10 foot morcks. my car is not stock looks it thow.

thanks for all your guys is help i still want to do that roost blower set up lol

 

your posts make my brain hurt.

can you please try to use little things like spelling and punctuation if you want people to answer your questions and treat you with a little respect? Otherwise you look like a 12 year old idiot that doesn't deserve the time to respond to a complicated subject like engine and transmission swapping

 

sory spelling is a issue with me most of the time it me taking my time

 

 

Is that picture from the movie Stripes??

Anyways, have you decided on the t-5 swap???

 

I feel really old right now...

Hogan's heroes. The funniest TV show ever to take place in a POW camp.

 

Ahh thats what it is. Is that Bill Murray on the right side? Thats what made me think it was Stripes.

Sorry for the thread jack....

 

its ok and ye i think i will swap if i can find parts

 

You do know theres a spell check right? even some punctuation would help understand your posts a bit better.