project89

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also i have a redisgn of that log header that will simplify the merge greatly let me dig threw my photobucket and find some pics so i can explain it

fasteddi

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I know I have to take the smog out but am unsure of how to run the belt as I also dont have a/c.

Thanks for the mesurements, it sorta make sence on how it all goes together, but the pirmarys? are 1 1/2"? and so is the holes correct? Just wana make sure I get that right.

Also is the x over go under and against the firewall like the original or much higher?

project89

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yes the holes in the flange are drilled with a 1.5 inch holesaw which makes a hole slightly larger then 1.5 inch so the primary tubes will drop right in the holes

the x over goes under the motor behind the x member i have pics of that to, the pc im using is really slow so its taking forever to get my photobucket to load but ill get the pics up for ya

fasteddi

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OK thanks again bro, pics always help. Ill get on the parts for the headers asap.

Also Ill just make 6 of those primary plates

fasteddi

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bl85c is going to work on a set and send them off in the next week or so, so I will just wait for them. I did remove the turbo today as I didnt have much more time. But is there anything I should look for on it? The side to side play is very very minimal along with the vertical play. Also the exhaust side still looks nice and tan as before.

Ill just need to make up a x-over

This would be a good time for me to install the injectors, clean up the engine area and stuff like that while I wait for the headers.

Also im still concerned about the belt routing without ac and the smog pump, but I will look at it further tommorow.

Street Lethal

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fasteddi

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Thanks Rob.

Got some fueling issues here so right now I dont even wana look at my car for the moment. Let alone the crappy turbo lag from my pi$$ poor exhuast welding, need headers asap.

My best 60ft time tonight...LOL 2.27 seconds..but yet traped 101.6mph@14.19. Tell me thats not horrible turbo lag/pre turbo leak! My worst 60ft time tonight 2.31 seconds... traped 100.98 Mph@14.21.
I havent seen many cars im my live trap 100+ mph and run slightly mid 14's. All I can do is laugh about that at the moment. My car just suxs as of now with my current exhaust problems. It needs to be totally taken out and started over. Didnt make full boost till roughly the 330ft mark on the track and those 60ft times are about .30-.35 seconds slower then normal when I was at 12psi....

project89

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rob u need another v6 car and come join the club man.

fast what fueling issues are u having

fasteddi

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Ok when I first put the injectors in I tuned it for the larger injector.. no problem there. I went and did a few pulls, it was fine. 65% or so injec DC on 15psi of boost. Very good minus the t-lag. As the day went on at the track I noticed it kept getting leaner, so I then added more and more VE fueling. Got the afr's back under control but saw 85% injec DC now. I took off the AFPR and tried the stocker, no help there, made sure the reference line was fine no help there. The only fuel guage I could use was the one on the AFPR, it would go literly to almost 0 when I went WOT... Then go back to about 40psi.

Pump problems?? The injects were fine but mabey pushing the pump with the 48lbs is killing it. I even noticed it when just driving as its leaner and leaner as the day went on.

project89

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u bought a knockoff fuel pump right.?
or was it a real wlaboro i dont rember
if the pump is bad just buy a aremotive 340lph pump it will be the last fuel pump u ever need

how did it run at 15 psi ???

btw first things first check the fuel filter

freaky

raise the boost to about 20 an see what she does . my 05 srt4 ran your times stock . i went 50 trim meth injection an 23lbs of boost an run 12.7 @ 113 mph spinning the rims in the slicks .with a 1.97 60' er . keep working at it it's in there just gotta bring it out .

project89

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his pre turbo leak is hurting him, mph is up though
that fueling issue is a must fix before he adds anymore boost

the gauge goint to 0 on the throttle hit is a sign of a clogged fuel filter, or a tear/hole in the fuel line thats inside the tank, and or the fuel pump he bought went bad

fasteddi

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It was a real walbro. Im going to open up the lid today and check the lines, then change the filter just because there so cheep. Ill keep ya updated.

The 15psi felt strong=good, just took to long to reach that. I attatched a log, this was the first pull before I added some fuel to get the arf's to 11.5, but slowly I had to keep adding fuel. See how long it took to make commanded boost? I didnt hear the wastegate open till about 80mph....LOL

4.368 seconds is the spit time it took to go from 80-100mph, that says alot as its usually a tad higher(5 seconds) on prior logs. I really thing that If it makes that 15psi off the line faster like it should that a 12 should be easy to make.

freaky

what size turbo are you running ?
what exhaust a/r ?

fasteddi

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.49 a/r compressor
.57 a/r turbine

t3/4

Also I looked at the hose from the pump to the assembly, there was a little tear in the hose near where it clamped on? Not very big but it could have caused the problem? So I re-did that, moved the AFRP to the supply line and leaving it open all the way so that I can use that as a fuel pressure guage only for the time being. I was seeing good FP at idle, and when I burped the throttle. I added a video of it. Its with the reference line on, when the ref line is off its steady as can be. I need to clean up my mess under the hood from re-routing lines. Then I will see if the problem is corrected and I have good pressure when in boost.

The line below the needle is 40psi and above is 60psi. Not sure how accurate it is but seems to be plently of pressure. Wil update and let you guys know if its corrected now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJ3o...ature=youtu.be

fasteddi

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Update, that was the problem! Took her down the road and I saw normal afr's for crusing (14.5-15.5) then went into WOT and soon as the boost kicked in straight to 10.20AFR(which is the lowest my guage reads) So I let off not wanting to wash the cylinders. Need to burn some chips but the fueling is fixed and it didn't cost me anything since it was a problem that I caused myself from the instal months ago.

freaky

glad you figured it out . since you got plenty of fuel i'd raise the boost till the a/f are 11.4 at wot . but thats just how i tune .
glad it was an easy fix

fasteddi

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Yea well I gotta see if i can just weld my way out of my boost leaks on the exhaust before I do any tuning yet.

I personally tune for 11.5 since I run alky=12.5afr true gas. My mix causes exactly a 1 point drop in afr's.

freaky

alright if you wanna get picky .lol i can't wait to get my turbo on . i'm still working out my n/a fuel / money issues . but it's coming . i wanna see vids of sum 12 sec passes i know it's in there !

fasteddi

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Heres the latest logg. Afr's still a touch rich but look at the injector DC... in the 50% range, wow Im either a gutless wounder or those injects can take some serious HP. Also need to remove even more AE vs Tps and Map still.

Still have a leak somwhere its on the exhaust side as i've pressure checked the charge side. I had to hit 65 mph before 15psi was achieved..thats just plain old horrible!

EDIT: found the leak.. looks like that would be sufficient hu? Welded it up and then applied layers of ex putty. Hope that fixes the prob. Once I removed some of the ex wrap the crack continued on the other side... alot of exhaust leaking out when I would start the car and feel the ex air when I put my hand down there.


Edit again..lol I took her out for a spin. droped the 0-100mph from 13.845 to 12.654 seconds since the patch, a little better but there still a slight leak up on top of the y-pipe and its a PITA to get at without taking the whole y-pipe off.

fasteddi

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Scratch all those post from above. I got the leak fixed ok although I think there is still a slight leak somewhere.

Boost is better and I know when 2nd gear kicks in it is truly amazing. Tuned to 15psi and I love it and the car sounds so nice. Afr's ok, IAT great!, KR fine. Injec DC Awsome!

I kept messing with the boost DC so now it needs a little tuning from over boost conditions, but in general I got to 100Mph in 12.39 seconds on this latest tune and 110mph in 15.21 seconds and really I DID not wana let off the gas as she just kept pulling hard.

I think im on to something here if I get the spool up faster(headers) and Ill be 12's easy, I probly am now since the boost is full much sooner then last night when I had to do 70Mph+ to get 14psi...LOL

Just to relate on street start tires=When I went that 14.37@99mph the log showed 0-100mph in 14.55 on the datalogg. Thats a long 2 1/2 seconds difference from what I have now.

Boost is very addictive Check the log if ya can and let me know if im the right track to a 12 sec pass.
Just to add/easily 90* outside today.

project89

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Nice job and btw ur turbo is .63 hot . 50 cold
Remove that afpr from the supply side as it will cause a restriction in fuel flow

project89

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log look good that was with alky right ???


smooth out the wastegate control and bump boost about 3 psi and go run an 11.99

project89

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there ya go

fasteddi

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Ok thanks for the A/R correction. Thanks for the graph too(am I missing the Psi or am I blind...)

Does that look like its spooling up faster? Yes it is with the alky on. I did remove the AFPR once I saw that It was back to normal(FP wise)

Ill work on the boost control, I ran out of time for the day and the work week ahead will leave me with no time to play.

project89

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ur not blind i forgot to include boost presure in the graph ill make a new one
but looks like u were boumncing from 14.2-17.2 psi

btw fast does code 59 have a park/nuetral rev limiter???

if it does u have abuilt in 2 step. and alls u will need is a momentary push button or toggle switch to make it work for a staging limiter

fasteddi

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I cant find the P/N limiter and havent heard of one as of yet. Yea the boost control needs some tuning, I could hear the WG opening and closing for alot of the run. Its because I jacked up the DC of the wastegate to make up for the leak which didnt help anyways..lol So now I need to adjust it back down.

project89

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there is boost
12 psi in the top of first 15 psi halways threw second then it gets all screwy

fasteddi

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Yea its short in 1st gear because of the minor leak I still have, then its all screwy because of me making the WG DC so high and the computers trying to play the middle ground..LOL Ill work on that.

Thanks for the Graph

project89

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Turn up. The boost while ur at it lol

fasteddi

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Not yet 15 to 16psi did feel pretty dammm good. I cant blow that poor ill engine up....

project89

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boost dont kill engines, bad tunes kill engines

20 psi subtract 2-3 degress of timing above 15 psi though with the meth injection i highly doubt ur timing of 21* would hurt it

i had a 5 bar map sensor on my car , i even had boost upto damnear 30 psi a few times

fasteddi

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LOL well Im not the best tuner just yet, thats what scares me. Baby steps here. My timing does go down as boost goes up. IIRC about 18* at 16+ psi

Six_Shooter

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I wish I could get my boost up, I have too much gear to get full boost in 1st to 3rd gears.

I hope to change that soon though.

fasteddi

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I swear I welded the crap out of every joint on the exhaust and the charge pipe checks out as ok. But yet I can only make 12psi or so in 1st gear. What gives? I only have 3.23 gears in the rear...Soon as 2nd kicks in it go's up to what im commanding on the controler.

I added a few videos of a 0-110mph pull, it like 90* out again, so I only had one shot at it(don't wana beat her too much) Then when coming down my road I gave her a 0-70mph or so pull so that you could see the laptop and the spool up. Its quick just not enough in 1st gear. I shut it off and coasted to check the plugs and such as I added 1* of timing for all boost up to 168Kpa. AE still needs more taken out as it was throwing me the 10.2-10.8afr when first WOT, now its arround 11-12.

Enjoy the vids...you can really hear that wastegate over the engine/exhaust on the first video. Its just a constant open/close open/close...

0-100mph about 12.6 sec 0-110 about 15.6 sec. Via datalog. Sounds so sweet doing it. 15psi. I want a boosted launch at the track now!!! ASAP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbFKUcoXkw

Heres the lag one...boost is a little crazy when it hits 2nd gear. You have no idea how hard it is to not just the boost up. But I need to get the lag and the overboost under control first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUK_y...ature=youtu.be

fasteddi

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Well bl85c got the headers done up for me so im excited about that. Faster spooling soon!

Gumby

can you get pipe one size smaller to fit inside the tubes your welding?

freaky

20 lbs of boost an your eyes will really open up .there a different animal after 15.lol

fasteddi

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Yea I did that the other day for when I was patching up what I messed up on my own exhaust. 2 1/4 may be smaller but it sure what easier to make sure it was sealed up well and the welds are much easier. IIRC its a socket weld?

fasteddi

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Look at the difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFRgM...source=message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbFKUcoXkw

which is better??

freaky

i like t gauges . she looks good but 20 lbs will look amazing really!

fasteddi

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Getting a paid holiday sit at home and tune the car!! Love it!

No more boost till I get it tuned in right and such. Patients now. I Just made a chip for 16psi and it was fun.

Heres what I see in the log

1. I did a massive burn out all the way through 1st gear(caused false KR and slow 0-60 time) And spun when it shifted into 2nd gear actually(believe it or not) made the car go slightly sideways for a moment.
2. I have boost loss shifting, this is because I was lazy and need to put the larger 15psi WG spring in before I drive it again.
3. I couldnt resist as the spedo was moving so quick so I just kept going for a little longer 0-120Mph.
4. I messed with the AE and it seems better, lights the tires up and spools faster, although the burn out stoped me from abtaining better bosot levels in 1st gear.
5. Afrs where I want them 11.0 or so, Im aiming at that so that if the alky has a issue I will see the afr rise 1pt and know, I watch the AFR when making pulls. they may be a little rich for good power but im in a new boost teriroty where I've never been before. I definitly want to keep those afr's from 10.8-11.8 durring pulls with the alky untill I feel more comfortable.
6. 16psi is more then enough to be fast and push off 12 second passes. Actaully it feels fast as crap the faster I go...I.E third gear is very fun!
7. Is it safe to say that if I do the math. 48lbs injec x 6 x peak of 66 Inject DC / .55= 345Hp at one point. This car needs those headers on and a dyno asap this year. Thats a good 280Hp or so at the wheels with a 20% drivetrain loss. But really Im just pondering here on what sort of HP she may have now with some more fuel and boost.
8. Amazingly I was buiding boost @ 2300rpms on the road, hence why I just lit the tires up for a good 50 feet. It wasent much of anything but its enough to when It flashed the tires started to cry..lol

Check the log out if ya want, its not the best as the burn out really messed up the beginning but it was just too fun to stop.

0-120Mph in 18.80 seconds. Is that Slow? Im not use to seeing pulls like that.

80Mph-100Mph split time was a small 3.95 seconds. Thats important for the track as I usually pick up 20mph from the 1/8 to 1/4 mile. Usually 81mph to 101(trap mph) So in reality 81mph to arround 103-5mph.


If you can read it heres a history table. Boost is still all over as you can see going up then down/ up then down about 1-1.5psi. Thats a horrible deadband! Its just a normal word doc.

Street Lethal

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I would really like to, I had three 3.1's but never bothered to finish them up, then I foolishly sold them off. Can't find a decent condition 3rd gen w/3.1 now, as most of them out there need way too much TLC. Was thinking about another TTA, but that would be way too easy though. My GTA is crazy fast now, as I pull Paul on the highway like it isn't even funny, but if I push it to run a nine second pass something is going to grenade. I'd like to build either a V6 or V4 next. Not sure if your remember my friend Tony with the stock GSX Eclipse, but he's selling it, and I'm really considering it. Fun little cars...

Gumby

yea easier then welding butt joint that can burn through easy, with a pipe inside you should be able to burn it in well and seal it for good.

fasteddi

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Yea im not the best welder so anyway to make sure its sealed up is always a plus.

Well I have to say WTF, I redid the wastgate gasket and now im over boosting and doing burnouts like crazy. Im sorta embarrassed but also lucky. I actaully was over boosting about 3 psi from the command in 3rd gear. A little over 19psi here and there, thank god for alky and my thoughts of modding the file in case I ever did that. I just looked at the screen really quick and saw the 19psi!! AFR in the 11's no Kr' and knew the alky was working so I just kept going. This is the out come when the WG DC is just too high and the ecm doesnt wana keep up and correct it. The one think i need help on is Why is my Wastegate DC in the log so high... (90+) but yet im commanding high 60's???? Thats why its pushing 20psi+ Any Ideas?

Bad thing was is I literly did a burn out for all of first, shifted into second, then once I hooked shifted back into first. Stupid for me to keep on the gas really. But oh well car is ok and amazes me that it can take a beating like that and not get wounded.

So in general I think the car is better now, no ex leaks, but also no chance at launching on the street to see true spool up. Ill just have to wait a week or so and take it to the track.

I did measure 12.9 sec 0-100mph on this log, not bad if you consider the massive burnout. If you look at the log you'll see the MPH go up then down on a few occations and a low boost for a bit(from the burnout)

Back to work tommorow so no more playing with the car for a bit. Sad face here! The car is probly happy I won't be driving it....

project89

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fun il cars but they get hella expsensive

fasteddi

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Is 85-90% wastegate DC normal for when 'im running 16+ psi? Just seems high. Thanks for any input. I was closer to 6X% when it was tuned to 12psi. Thats a 30% increase.

Anyways, got to adjust the WG DC higher and also changed the step up boost(positive and negitive values) Saw a much better boost resoponce. 14.2psi Made by the top of first gear. This was with 15psi as a command. Much smoother boost, plus or minus 1psi once she what moving and thats pretty steady. What I was trying was to match the WG DC to what the ecm was correcting. But I was being conservitive and this is for a race tune only. The reason being is that I will never reach full boost at the track for the MPH cells of say, 10,20 so I just put in 99 as a value, then 70-80% and other corordinated numbers after that for specific cells. Seemed to help alot on reaching boost faster. The WG spring only holds 12psi. I was thinking of mabey tossing in the smaller spring I had too and see what it spits out. If it adds up to what they produced by themselfs that would be roughly 17psi. Thats just a little higher then I wanted, I want a solid 15-16psi for the first few times at the track. This is till I get the tune down, then 17psi would be acceptable for the track on a normal basis.

Log looked good although it was a tad lean as I never tuned in the alky at that specific boost. 12.2 was the average afr with 100% of alky flowing through her vains. Id like 11.5 so that needs adjusted a tad. Another number, it took 3 seconds from a dead stop going WOT to hit the 14psi. So im happy with that considering I was launching at 1600 rpms(absolutly no pre spool)

Another number 120mph in 18.9 seconds. Which probly is slow to some but felt awsome, actually went 123mph then got scared and let off. Intake temps range from 85* to 99*. It was 85* out and 50% humidity, dusk.

Depending on the launch, I think im back to the solid 13's as of now. Theres no telling if the turbo is back to spooling super fast as it feels like it is but from a dead WOT pull, it lags because of the low rpms.

freaky

what boost controlller are you using ?

project89

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he is using the boost control built into the ecm.

i personally prefer an turbo xs high performance manual boost controller
this one

has the spring loaded ball to decease spoolup time , then bleeds air uptop to raise boost.

never had an issue with mine and never got fluctuating boost levels or boost spikes with it


i quess im old fashioned though i prefer mechanical boost control over electronic


though in my twin turbo iroc i will be using ecm based boost control based on time/speed at the track so i can run a small tire
15 psi in first
20-25 psi in second
18 psi + nitrous in third


though i may get the turbo xs 3 stage manual controller and wire up my ecm to control the stages

freaky

i had good luck with the greddy electric boost control where you can make adjust to control boost spikes an turbo spool . i just didn't like the manul cause i didn't like pulling over to adjust it .lol . i havent dug into the ebl flash far enough to see if i can control boost with that or not .