Argh! 1 bolt is holding me back from pulling this trans out. Bellhousing bolt. Been using an impact for 30 minutes with some pb blaster.

 

Got it out and prepping the other.

Ewwe

 

Well broke my tv cable so thats it for the night. Ill pick one up tomorrow and get this trans in. Its ready minus the cable.

 

One more photo for the night. The filter out of the pulled trans split open.

 

Make sure to put the grommet back on TV cable assembly where it goes into the trans....

 

Oh yea, I wont forget that one, lol. I have discovered that an 86 core has a coarse threaded tv cable bolt and the 89 has a fine threaded bolt.

Also noticed, no matter which dipstick tube I used, sat 1/4 inch above fully seated in the grommet. Bent the bracket up slightly so when the bellhousing is tightened, it seats the dipstick fully.

Ordering the tv cable today, will have it tomorrow then this trans is going in. The 3-4 clutches were gone, lol. It was all in the pan and filter.

 

Yea i didnt know that. Mine has a fine thread but never gave it a thought on older trannys.

When i rushed to get the camaro back together last spring i forgot that grommet. I started the car got it nice and toasty, topped off the trans fluid and drove it. What a mess i made once i turned the car off and all the fluid came back to the pan.

 

Hey I've seen that trans somewhere before.

 

So today Im gonna work on cleaning stuff up while the trans is out. Anything recommended while the trans is out?

Gonna tighten the ebrake, put a metal extension on the oil drain pipe to move the hose further away from the heat of the turbo, flush both trans coolers real good, make the switch to rotella 20w-40 and do my oil change. Wire my pre-turbo air temp sensor in. Work on getting a second coolant sensor in, for front of block and back of block temps.

Then once thats accomplished hopefully itll be around 4:30 and the tv cable should be here and I will start putting the trans in.
Kicking it into high gear cause all I got done yesterday was order the tv cable, lol. I was feeling a bit lazy after pulling that trans.

Good idea or bad idea to incorporate an oil cooler on the feed line to the turbo?

 

Came across some body shims that look like they will work perfectly on top of the tv cable where it goes into the trans to prevent it from leaking.

Worth a try.

 

I guess the shims would help. But if you have a good groment and tighten it right it should never leak.......

 

Thats whats messed up. When I took the tv cable off the trans that was in the car, it was fine and sit flush. As soon as I tightened it down on the trans going in, the side opposite the bolt lifted, which would cause a major leak. It happened before with a brand new cable.

This would be insurance against it leaking with another new cable.

 

Then it's not installed correctly or not the correct TV cable.

Tightening it down should not lift the opposite side, if it does find the reason why, don't band-aid it.

 

Its called low quality auto parts...

If I had the money to mold them perfectly to OEM specs, and the money to run the business, then I wouldn't have to band-aid what the company got wrong in the first place.

If the new cable doesn't have that problem great. Its still getting the bracket as insurance.

Its called "peace of mind".

 

Well I would have this trans in the car right now if I wasn't waiting on fedex. Was supposed to have this cable delivered by 4:30 and its 8 and I still don't have it.

 

Need to pick up a 1/2 npt female 45° elbow to fix this before it causes a problem.

 

For now, this is my band-aid till I get that elbow. Its worked till now so a couple more days wont kill it.



Its not pretty, but it works for now. I was going to use a 1/2 inch npt bung and double threaded coupler, but that would make the hose make a 90° bend almost horizontal.

So its the elbow, or I had the thought to use the metal EGR tube, and at just the very end, hose to connect it to the barb on the oil pan.

Then it would be metal, and flexible.

Opinions or comments?

Also know using braided AN line is an option. BUT if I can use the EGR tube obviously I will use that cause I already have it.

 

If you are meaning the EGR tube off my old 3.4 it has a small hole you'll wanna weld up first.

 

Brand new out of the box. See what happens? You have to "bandaid" it right out of the box.

 

Is that groment in there all the way properly? Where did you get that cable from? I ask because the main thing that seals that up is the grommet itself from being pressed between the tv cable housing and the tranny case hole.

 

pull on the cable itself and see if it pulls flat ( the cable not the outer sheath)

 

It has a round oring on it instead of the grommet. The oring is too fat. I re-used the old grommet, which was still decent, and used rtv. Also made a clamp out of one of those shims, and feel much better with how it seals now.

4 bolts and fluids and odds and ends and this car will be back on the ground!

 

Its alive! Has all 4 gears too. My only question is how do you set a tv cable if it only comes out 2 clicks when I open the throttle to WOT?

 

That's how it always did it for me.

 

Only 2 clicks? Doesn't feel like it engages the actual throttle valve till almost half throttle. I just wanna make sure its right before I burn it up.

 

Sounds like the TV cable is stretched some. As long as it clicks out some it should be OK. To test this can use a 300 psi pressure gauge on the pressure port. As soon as the throttle is moved the pressure has to start increasing.

Note that when adjusting the cable, open the throttle manually at the TB. This is the way GM states to do it in their service manual. And they specifically state to not use the go-pedal to adjust the cable.

RBob.

 

Thanks RBob. I tried both methods to set the tv cable, pedal and throttle blade. The cable is brand new, so i think the issue lies in the ratcheting system. Maybe its just not worn in.

EDIT the old cable I'm sure was streched, and adjusted out further, would the new cable adjust out less being new and not streched?

 

So with a 2500 rpm stall, turbo thats spooled by 2500 rpm.

When I do the 1-2-1 tv test; soon as it shifts to second, floor it, it downshifts to first, rpms shoot up to stall, then it grabs and goes like a bat outta hell.
IE, Rubber Band effect

So having the higher stall causes the lag between getting to the stall and going? Is that the slip I feel before it goes, or is that the trans doing something its not supposed to?

Not dumb, I understand how they work, just never driven anything with a higher stall than stock.

 

Yea you may notice it sometimes that it almost feels like a slip till the converter flashes or that you have to push the peddle down more to putt around when your going slow and at low rpm.

Datalog a launch if you can and see what the flash rpm is. (the rpm it takes it moves on a datalog from, 0 to any mph at WOT)

 

For now I think this will suffice. You all have waited long enough.

Behold!


Looks disappointing, I can assure you it is not. This car still gets my adrenaline pumping!

 

HAHA!
That's awesome. Love the creepy old oaks over the street, fits the sounds of a mean v6 tearing s#^% up!
So what you folks doin' this weekend?
My only plans are playing guitar and drinking, but that's in the evening. I think there could be a mini-meet. Whaddya say Ducky and Will? Charcoal?
-G

 

Thats my favorite road. I want to get some shots of my car parked in the middle of it with the tunnel of oaks in the background.

Maybe something saturday as sunday I will be helping finish up that big block swap. If not the weekend after may be better, and I should have more gas money. 1/4 tank disappeared real freaking fast, lol.

 

I'll shut the car off when I roll up, don't wanna interrupt that V6 sound. LOL

We could do that this weekend. I'm busy Friday night.

 

Ok, so is it the converter not flashing till 2500rpms making me barely feel the shifts after the vette servo, .500 and .296 boost valves?

I was waiting for the hard 1-2 hit and it never happened. More like a rubberband. Floor it, downshifts to 1st, 1-2 second lag where the tc flashes THEN it goes like a bat outta hell. I mean it holds great and pulls slightly harder than the last trans before it burnt up.

I was also hoping the vette servo with 2 gold shims was going to result in felling the difference in the 2-3 shift, but again, the converter slips to flash rpm then grabs so I can't feel the difference in the 2-3 hit.

Going on to 4th gear. Will pickup speed under part throttle, any more and it slips to pick up speed. Normal while cruising 60mph with a high stall?

And one final note, the shifts feel softer than I though they would. I was expecting harder more positive shifts with the increased line pressure and vette servo.

Never had a high stall before so I am just clearing up some of this information so I know whats going on in the future. And also so I can confirm or debunk if this is still a trans issue or just the higher stall.

Thanks guys. And I swear, the video looks so disappointing, but actually being in the car it is much quicker and satisfying.

 

A new, non-stretched cable will click out more on the adjustment. As the cable stretches the housing needs to be moved toward the rear of the vehicle, having it click out less.

RBob.

 

I am pretty sure I have gotten the TV cable within one click of being where it needs to be. Shifts under part throttle are where they need to be, and the 1-2-1 WOT downshift test almost results in loss of traction when it downshifted, lol.

 

Mabey my set up was different a tad but my 1/2 shifts are definitely noticeable. And 2/3 is very acceptable too. Fast and crisp. Been like that since the servo and valves. Even was before a shift kit.

Keep in mind a good trans will shift harder the more you press the throttle. So idealy you want it to shift soft but when wot it should shift fast hard and crisp. And 700rs are very picky about TV adjustment related to line pressure.

From a dead stop, will it smoke the tires with out using the brakes and going wot?

 

I am going to go out in a little bit and datalog a few launches to see the true stall speed. But before I do that.

I am pretty sure after doing enough research, that what I am feeling IS the converter. Heres why. The EC3 variable slippage clutch starts applying while slipping a lot at 25mph, and gradually transitions to full lockup around 60mph.

Therein lies the problem; with no way to utilize the EC3 system in a 700R4(So far I haven't been able to find out much about the system but the patents), the converter is designed with the variable slip in mind. IE it does a lot of slipping without the lock being engaged.

HOWEVER, the converter is designed to handle all the slippage with woven carbon fiber clutches.

That makes it "slingshot" when I hit the gas, and I know it shifts, but you can BARELY feel it when the converter is just sitting around 2500-3000(?) and pulling like a train.

Like I said, I need to get a log but I think my assumptions are correct about the converter.

EDIT; Plus this sunpro faze tach is garbage, all it does is jump around and read like 2000+ off. Need to get that carputer going and installed.

Double Edit; With this converter, I don't need launch control/antilag lol.

Triple Edit; You can hear it in the videos, here is a roughly 0-100 run, the rpms stay almost constant.

 

but...can ya smoke some tires?
the 10 year old inside of all of us wants to know...

 

Looking good man.

Did you datalog that run? 0-100 mph time?

Back when I was running high 13s low 14s in the 1/4 mile this is what it would do on the street for a 0-100 pull. Just to give you a idea on how fast she may be at the track. This was back when I just beat the living outta it all the time. And i know the vid suxs but the turbo spool is always nice.

 

No that was one I did yesterday. Tomorrow I will grab a log 0-100 manual shifting.

Oh I bet it will. I didn't bring it up to full stall in the video, lol.

 

It will. I could spin the tire with my stock 3.4.

 

yea, I gotta be careful when I'm darting into traffic from a dead stop. Once in a while I'll really punch it, and just kinda sit there, spinning that right rear.

 

That's how my car was. It's only going to be worse now I have a 327.

 

Time for a posi!

 

Its gonna be worse than that with a turbo!

 

Lol, my AMG has a LSD, she spun to hell trying to get on it to merge.

 

Well looks like I'm not getting a launch datalog today. I wouldnt be able to get traction with a 2500 stall with wet roads, lmao. Matter of fact itll probably sit there and spin, lol

Ill try to get one tomorrow.

 

it would be something like 3rd gear, 4,000rpm, 5mph.

 

With the turbo probably 3rd gear, 5500rpms and 1mph if im lucky, lol

Soft rev limit is 6k, hard rev limit is 6250.