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Old Jul 19, 2015 | 09:33 AM
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Definitive solution to EGR removal?

I've read just about every thread I can find on removing the EGR. Before anyone jumps on my back over it in the UK we really don't need it, it was only really of use when the car was new and the entire system is dead!

I realise I have to remove the EGR and solenoid and I also realise that this will probably chuck up the SES light which will lead to 'limp' mode. My question is, is there a way to 'fool' the ECM into thinking the EGR is still there so the ECM won't go into limp mode?

Also what does the vacuum control switch (by the coil) actually do? I don't think this is working either u see.

I have no error codes showing on the car but it has only been started and run, not driven.
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 12:29 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

If you remove the EGR, you will not go into limp in mode. You will just have a Check Engine light on, nothing more. I removed mine, made block off plates for the intake and exhaust manifolds, pulled the solenoid out, blocked off the vacuum port on the TB and just let the wire connector hang. Done. To get rid of the Check Engine light, you would have to have a new chip burned for the ECM to delete EGR.
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 12:49 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

Thanks for the advice. Ok so making the block off plates is simple as is blocking off the vacuum pipe on the throttle body.

To clarify going from the EGR towards the firewall theres the EGR valve, obviously, then the little cylindrical thing with two vacuum tubes coming from the rear which i think is the vacuum regulator valve, then a control box which is attached to the coil bracket with an electrical connector and a vacuum pipe coming from it. I guess you mean that the control switch and the vacuum regulator valve are the solenoid? If thats right then I know what to remove.

Like I've said is there anyway to fool the ECM into thinking the EGR is still there and functional other than returning a PROM? Surely it's just differences in voltage that the solenoid returns to the ECM? If not where would I get a PROM from?

Thanks again!
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 12:58 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

If you want to physically remove the EGR, you have to unbolt it from the exhaust manifold and from the intake manifold right by the throttle body. Then you have to fab up metal block off plates that bolt over those holes where the EGR mounted on the pass side exhaust manifold and on the intake. You can just use a vacuum plug to plug off the vacuum hose that came off of the back side of the throttle body. I can get you a pic or two of mine later once I get home if you are still unclear.
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 01:26 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

I'd really appreciate the photos! Thank you.
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 05:39 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

This should make it clearer
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

just one bloack off plated needed if done in middle where EGR bolts on.
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Old Jul 21, 2015 | 08:42 PM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

Originally Posted by Gumby
just one bloack off plated needed if done in middle where EGR bolts on.
You mean a plate between the valve and the base? That's another way to go, I only said both b/c he said he wanted to remove it all.
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Old Jul 22, 2015 | 01:01 AM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

This is perfect, thanks a lot! Yeah I'll be removing it all.
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 11:27 AM
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Re: Definitive solution to EGR removal?

So just to clarify; what effects will removing the EGR have on the motor itself. To put it into perspective I ran a Ford Capri 2.8 V6 here in the UK and they don't have an EGR system at all?!
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