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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 03:37 PM
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Air silenser

What is an air silenser how do you remove it and what does it do for you.
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 04:55 PM
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MAF screen is the mesh screen that is in front of your MAF which protects it from small debrie (spelling?) damaging it .

Don't remove it . Many people remove and have rough idle problems .Or they damage the maf in the process of doing it .I know I have it removed , but I got lucky when I removed mine and did not have any problems .But its really better to leave it in there .
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 06:43 PM
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you have a 3.1, you dont have an MAF so you dont have to remove the air silencer becuz you dont have one.
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 07:28 PM
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I beg to differ i know what he is talking about now, I did now the screens were called an air silenser, I do now and I have removed them about 2 years ago.:hail:
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by rpmdrw
I beg to differ i know what he is talking about now, I did now the screens were called an air silenser, I do now and I have removed them about 2 years ago.:hail:
I dunno what you previously removed, but you definitely don't have a MAF screen to remove.
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 09:05 PM
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If your talking about the air box there is a plastic peice that kinda comes around and goes doen to about a inch its plastic if you just pry it off youll have a big 3 inch hole and have more air flow. It gies it a different sound form the irbox and a little better throtle response
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Old Apr 7, 2002 | 09:12 PM
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You did not have a MAF stock, and if you did the MAF swap, then you sir...IMO, are a moron.

If someone else did it before you...I'm sorry.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 12:00 AM
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damn , thats one big @ss gap for you sparkplugs . What is the stock gap for a 3.1 ? ...I know for my 2.8 its 45 .
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 12:08 AM
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http://www.gmtips.com/3rd-degree/dox...maf-screen.htm
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 11:14 AM
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I know I right

If we could all reffer to our hayes repair manual and look on page 6-2 we will all see taht the 3.1 liter engine did come with a MAF sensor located in the air box on the bottom picute Fig. no. 7 but I guess that hayes is wrong and you are right! SO WHO IS THE MORON NOW!:lala:
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 11:57 AM
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Hey the 3.1 did not come with a MAF. The 3.1 were Speed Density.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 12:01 PM
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BTW:
Silencer, not silenser
Refer, not reffer
that, not taht
picture, not pictute
And in So who is the moron now....you should always end a question with a ? not a !
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 12:22 PM
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The 3.1L DID NOT have a MAF it was a speed density sensor. You have 10 post compaired to 1,000+ guys here and you are arguing with us? If you want a MAF go find you a 2.8L.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 01:29 PM
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HayNes manuals are the most worthless, garbage, pos, manuals on the market.


Thirdgens don't really have air silencers unless you consider the ducting as silencers.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 01:39 PM
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I should have changed that in my sig along time ago . At the time I did my sig I thought , it wasn't a silencer but still wasn't sure . Sometimes I still call it a silencer but I know its really not that .Its the MAF screen . lol
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Drew
HayNes manuals are the most worthless, garbage, pos, manuals on the market.


Thirdgens don't really have air silencers unless you consider the ducting as silencers.
I have one of those , and they are pretty crappy !
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 01:48 PM
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I've got the old school thirdgen camaro chiltons with the cartoon yellow Iroc on the front, and its even better than any of the haynes manuals.

To give you an idea of how bad the haynes manuals are... I've got the 82-92 Camaro manual, the 82-92 Firebird manual, the 93-97 Firebird manual, and the 93-97 Camaro manual, all of which were given to me cause they suck so badly. Anymore I use the chiltons total car care manuals or the helms manuals.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 02:29 PM
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Re: I know I right

Odd; I prefer the Haynes books... but I never bought a Chilton's "total care" book. I just flipped thru those little Chilton's that are the size of a small paperback book. Those are worthless... but maybe I'll hunt down one of these "total care" books. Aren't they the big hardcover suckers? (I still prefer my Helms manual, though! )

RPMDRW, I don't recall EVER seeing any 3.1 picture with a MAF in the TB. You sure you're not talking about the 4th gen 3.4l SFI F-bodies?? Your computer uses the speed density (MAP sensor) to measure incoming air flow, so why the heck would your TB have a MAF sensor built in??? Did someone before you swap some funky parts in? The SD system was on all 90-92 3.1 F-bodies, PERIOD. If you have something else, it did not come that way from the factory.

3.4L SFI motors, in the '93-'94 F-bodies, used a MAF sensor in the TB. Did someone do a MPFI-3.1 to SFI-3.4 swap in your car?? If so, you might want to ask about 3.4 questions, not 3.1 questions.

Oh- and...

Originally posted by rpmdrw
I guess that hayes is wrong and you are right! SO WHO IS THE MORON NOW!:lala:
If you don't want our help/knowledge, that's fine.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 04:09 PM
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Then what is that sensor in the air box, I took that out and cut the grey plastic out aroung it, that had little screens in it, what is that.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 06:46 PM
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are you talking about your IAT TOm i know its not the right name for us but thats what i lernt
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 07:12 PM
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are you talking about your IAT TOm i know its not the right name for us but thats what i lernt
NO it IS AN IAT. For INLET AIR TEMP. It's NOT MANIFOLD AIR TEMP. Manifold Air temp would be 1 too hard to measure cause anything you tried to put in will eventually measure the metal temp of the manifold, NOT the actual air temp. THATS why it was moved to the AIR BOX.

And MAF screen removal CAN BE A PERFORMANCE LOSS. It does not always make power. It is there because of the factory intlet tubing having all the bends. The screen "Staightens" out the aire flow over the sensor so it can read correctly and help the airflow INTO the manifold. NOW if your ducting is pretty straight, then yes removing the MAF(If its on your car) COULD be a power gain.

Last edited by Camaro_hunter_d; Apr 8, 2002 at 07:15 PM.
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Old Apr 8, 2002 | 10:57 PM
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Chilton and Haynes instructions:

To fix car do the following steps:

1. Remove the part which contains the broken piece.
2. Replace the broken piece
3. Install is the reverse of removel.

They are really helpful, uhhhhh no.

Can't we all just get along! Don't be so quick to flame and don't be too defensive. Gee, I hope everything is spelled correctly.
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 12:53 AM
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Re: I know I right

Originally posted by rpmdrw
If we could all reffer to our hayes repair manual and look on page 6-2 we will all see taht the 3.1 liter engine did come with a MAF sensor located in the air box on the bottom picute Fig. no. 7 but I guess that hayes is wrong and you are right! SO WHO IS THE MORON NOW!:lala:
Damn, I missed all the fun?!?!?! Dude, you're a frickin jack@ss. Sell your car, now.
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 01:09 AM
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 01:42 AM
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Camaro_hunter_d
NO it IS AN IAT. For INLET AIR TEMP. It's NOT MANIFOLD AIR TEMP. Manifold Air temp would be 1 too hard to measure cause anything you tried to put in will eventually measure the metal temp of the manifold, NOT the actual air temp. THATS why it was moved to the AIR BOX.
You're a moron. It -WAS- in the manifold, dumbass. GM calls it a MAT in my book. They're wrong, and you're right? LOL!
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 05:03 PM
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Simmah down.
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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 07:07 PM
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This if for both Camaro Hunter D and Tom P,

You two are both talking about two entirely different engines with two very different intake systems you are both right for your respective year and engine but with diffrent names for a part that essentially does the same thing

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Old Apr 9, 2002 | 07:13 PM
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This if for both Camaro Hunter D and Tom P,

You two are both talking about two entirely different engines with two very different intake systems you are both right for your respective year and engine but with diffrent names for a part that essentially does the same thing

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Old Apr 10, 2002 | 12:26 AM
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I cant see how this is still being talked about. Its simple. A MAF is a big circle that air goes through. If you know ANYTHING about cars then you will know what this is. Dont be a dumb ***. ANYWAYS on a side note I just hit 12's!!!!!!
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Old Apr 10, 2002 | 12:27 AM
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You guys sound like a bunch of girls!
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Old Apr 10, 2002 | 01:24 AM
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You guys sound like a bunch of girls!
hahahahahah :sillylol:
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Old Apr 10, 2002 | 10:30 AM
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This if for both Camaro Hunter D and Tom P,

You two are both talking about two entirely different engines with two very different intake systems you are both right for your respective year and engine but with diffrent names for a part that essentially does the same thing

Well, I always joke how the GM book calls it a MAT, but everyone else calls it an IAT. Some people can't figure out humor, but hey.
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Old Apr 10, 2002 | 08:49 PM
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2.8's had a MAF and 3.1's have a MAP (manifold absolute pressure) i think i know, i had to have mine replaced along with my computer and O2 sensor.
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