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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 01:48 PM
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whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

ive had my 20"rims on my car for about a year now and i know that i should have gotten other parts to go along with the car.

i can feel every bump in the road. when i go fast enough over a bump my tires rup on the wheel well and you can smell the burning rubber. and there has been a couple of times when i have pushed the brakes down all the way and my car was still rolling a lil bit. Do i need shocks or struts..etc? and for the brake problem b/c of the heavier rims, do i need new brake discs??
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 03:33 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

For the stopping you should look into upgrading your brakes. Since the stock brakes are too small to stop the car even for being stock.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 05:14 PM
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Those wheels are very heavy, you do really need better brakes to be safe, especially in a panic situstion. New shocks and struts will help keep you from rubbing, but if the car is too low and/or the tires to high, you won't get rid of all of it without raising the car.

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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

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Those wheels are very heavy, do you really need better brakes to be safe, especially in a panic situstion. New shocks and struts will help keep you from rubbing, but if the car is too low and/or the tires to high, you won't get rid of all of it without raising the car.
My friend has 20s on his car and does not have any rubbing issues at all and its on eibach drop springs too.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 06:53 PM
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My friend has 20s on his car and does not have any rubbing issues at all and its on eibach drop springs too.
thats cool, but this is not his car and we dont know the condition of this car, the ride height, tire size ect. what your friends car does is irreverent.

if the wheels are 8" wide, and the tires are rubber bands and the stock height, there will still be rubbing in the front at full lock, factory 16x8 wheels will rub on the front if the car did not come from the factory with them since the steering stops are different for the 15x7 and 16x8" wheels

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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 07:30 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

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Those wheels are very heavy, you do really need better brakes to be safe, especially in a panic situstion. New shocks and struts will help keep you from rubbing, but if the car is too low and/or the tires to high, you won't get rid of all of it without raising the car.
ok cool, nd my car has not been raised or lowered at all since i had the car and the previous ownere did nothing with the lowering/raising..so there is a chance that i change the struts and shocks and it might not help?
and i would be better off raising it first before i do anything with the struts/shocks, b/c i was planning on doing a drop spindal anyway
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 07:34 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

easy fix problem all you have to do is get air ride suspension 2000$ so easy to do it yourself i did it in a day !!! with help ofcorse

I have 18s on the front and 20s on the back with low pro tires no rubbing what so ever and when the cars all the way down no air in the bags theres no rubbing on the tires at all i can even drive around also just can go to fast ofcorse.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 08:02 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

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ok cool, nd my car has not been raised or lowered at all since i had the car and the previous ownere did nothing with the lowering/raising..so there is a chance that i change the struts and shocks and it might not help?
and i would be better off raising it first before i do anything with the struts/shocks, b/c i was planning on doing a drop spindal anyway
the car is over 20 years old. Even if nobody lowered it, the springs could be weaker from years of use and the car can be sitting lower than its supposed to.

if you raise it, why use a drop spindle? and that wont help bottoming out or rubbing. the only drop spindles are racecrafts anyway, and pricy at that.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 08:06 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

The brakes should be fine. A set of blank rotors and performance ceramic pads are all you need. I know guys running low 11's with stock brakes on these things with no issues what so ever.

I run slotted only rotors with EBC pads, 4 corner discs and my car stops on a dime. Besides the visual aspect of big brakes I dont think you NEED them especially if the car is stock otherwise.

Just because you think your brakes are working doesnt mean they are. Check all your calipers make sure they are not frozen. Mic up the rotors, and pads. If they are low replace them with quality parts. Bleed the system with fresh fluid, in the correct sequence.

Sounds as if you have a lot of questions. What you should probably be doing is bringing your car to a certified repair shop and have it looked at, you could have more things that need inspection. They will be able to check your shocks, and struts ect. and diagnose anything a lot easier than we can over the internet.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

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The brakes should be fine. A set of blank rotors and performance ceramic pads are all you need. I know guys running low 11's with stock brakes on these things with no issues what so ever.

I run slotted only rotors with EBC pads, 4 corner discs and my car stops on a dime. Besides the visual aspect of big brakes I dont think you NEED them especially if the car is stock otherwise.

Just because you think your brakes are working doesnt mean they are. Check all your calipers make sure they are not frozen. Mic up the rotors, and pads. If they are low replace them with quality parts. Bleed the system with fresh fluid, in the correct sequence.

Sounds as if you have a lot of questions. What you should probably be doing is bringing your car to a certified repair shop and have it looked at, you could have more things that need inspection. They will be able to check your shocks, and struts ect. and diagnose anything a lot easier than we can over the internet.
for a DD the stock brakes and good pads will be ok, but there is a huge difference in stopping once after a run at the strip and stopping a bunch of times repeatedly. you would be amazed how fast the stock brakes fade away if you flog them a bit. Then there is the added rotational weight of the 20" wheels.

Good idea to have the car looked over at a shop. Especially if you, the OP, are not that familiar with the mechanicals of the car. At least get a honest appraisal of the condition of the car so no issues arise in the future
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

If you have 20" wheels what else do you need? Besides a welded chain steering wheel?��
Sorry, couldn't help it... It sounds like your car is flat out NOT SAFE. Get a pro to check out your brakes, suspension and steering before you drive that think again. Seriously.
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 01:00 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\
the car is over 20 years old. Even if nobody lowered it, the springs could be weaker from years of use and the car can be sitting lower than its supposed to.

if you raise it, why use a drop spindle? and that wont help bottoming out or rubbing. the only drop spindles are racecrafts anyway, and pricy at that.

and if i dont get this situation handled right away, can it lead to more problems? and if so what kind
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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A chiropractor.
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 03:17 PM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

Can we stop all of the unnecessary comments. It gets really old.

To the original poster
Here is what I would do in order:

You need to go ahead and replace your brakes. They are probably just worn. I've seen and driven these cars with 19" and 20" wheels with stock brakes that stop the car fine. However a brake upgrade is on my to do list.

Now to fix the scrubbing

Are both rear wheels rubbing? If only one is rubbing you should invest in an adjustable panhard bar. Overtime the axle will shift toward one side. An adjustable panhard bar will allow you to shift the axle back to where it needs to be.

If you are running spacers, try running a thinner spacer. Around 1/4" thinner.

What size tires are you running? You might need to run a slightly thinner tire. Do some measurements and see how much space you need between the tire and the fender lip.

New shocks and struts will not fix the problem. Over large dips (through intersections and bridges) it will still scrub. However new springs will make your ride alot better.
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 09:48 AM
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Get your bullshit outta here bro
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 09:53 AM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

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gold grillz....YO!!!!......
and a mr t starter kit
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 09:58 AM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

Originally Posted by Buggy Disaster
Can we stop all of the unnecessary comments. It gets really old.

To the original poster
Here is what I would do in order:

You need to go ahead and replace your brakes. They are probably just worn. I've seen and driven these cars with 19" and 20" wheels with stock brakes that stop the car fine. However a brake upgrade is on my to do list.

Now to fix the scrubbing

Are both rear wheels rubbing? If only one is rubbing you should invest in an adjustable panhard bar. Overtime the axle will shift toward one side. An adjustable panhard bar will allow you to shift the axle back to where it needs to be.

If you are running spacers, try running a thinner spacer. Around 1/4" thinner.

What size tires are you running? You might need to run a slightly thinner tire. Do some measurements and see how much space you need between the tire and the fender lip.

New shocks and struts will not fix the problem. Over large dips (through intersections and bridges) it will still scrub. However new springs will make your ride alot better.
Good advice

I have low profile tires and no spacers. And yes I think both rear rubs
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the easiest solution is installing wheels that actually fit, my 19s fit without rubbing
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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Re: whats else is needed when you have 20" irocs w/ low profile tires

your whole i feel every bump thing will always be there to wear you and your suspension out with getting smaller rims and tires that arent goofy.

anywho as many said springs, shocks, struts. your car is at least 20 years old and if any of that is stock replace it now. front suspension with that kind of tire is going to hate you alot. in comparison you will be replacing ball joints and stuff as often as i did on my 88 chevy with 37's on IFS.

as for brakes, you need bigger ones, not just replace your stock braking system but upgrade completely and overall its not a cheap task. your trying to stop rims that have the wieght of truck tires.metaphorically. but compared to big rubbers and say 16,17's theres a lot more wieght to your 20's

once you do all this its still gonna ride like absolute poopy. the suspension geometry wasnt meant for a wheel for that size nor do they look, or perform well with something that large. 19 is as large as most reasonable people will go, for me id say 17, 18 because you can still keep a good amount of tire and have your suspension in tact at the end of the day without it yelping for help from added stress
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Originally Posted by kanaka4rmcali
Get your bullshit outta here bro
Easy there killer......just jokes........

does no one have a sence of humor anymore....don't be so uptight
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