Ok I Give UP... Ill do the dam V8 sawp if it makes you all happy.

kinda the feeling you get on this board. Well a friend has an 85 z28 with a good 305 hes gonna give me.

he is going tp put a 350 t56 in the z28.

The 85 is none computer so its and easy swap but them motor mount thing
cant they just be cut off and moved forward? or can you just leave the v6 ones in place and bolt new ones in the v8 spot.

A 305 stick sounds fun for a while since its free. Think I am gonna keep the 2.8 and tinker with it.

he/we are putting a stroker 460 in a 4x4 dually 80s ford, a 300 straight 6 and 5 speed from the 80s ford into a 74 chevy truck, the 350 from the 74 chevy into the 85 z28 and a t56 he bought for the truck but gave up on finding or making parts. and the 85 z28 305 into my 86 bird keeping the T5. bird 2.8 will be lawn art.

 

hang on for a sec here, an 85 DID have an ECM unless he ripped it out

also i'm not sure if you can use the V6 T5 with the V8, i'm sure someone could clarify that...

 

apparently you can't use your 60* t-5 with the v8 that you'll be getting, unless he's giving you a t5 to go along with your swap. The imput shafts on the t-5's for the v8 and forthe v6 are in differetn locations , or they're different lengths, so it looks like you're in the market for a transmission too. As far as the motor mounts, i doubt leaving the old ones in would go good for the engine block , in other words they'd most likely be scraping along along side the block and it wouldn't settle right into teh front crossmember, so, when u pull the motor and tranny, pull the mounts for the motor too, then replace those with v8 mounts you'll find at any autoparts store, justl ook for 305v8 chevy moutns for a 86 camaro, and you're frames already drilled for the new mounts, so, all you'll have to do is install them, and with the motor out, that shouldn't be any chore what-so-ever. If this is a carbbed 305 (which i'm assuming it is) ur rear can remain the same being that many of thse cars didn't come equipped with posi anyway, driveshafts can stay, radiator might need changing (see how it's cooling b4 hand, can change ur in dash tach out or buy a new one and hook it up to the motor, and go on about your business....that's about it though, cause the regular tach won't work becuase it'll getting more impulses than it's expecting, 8 instead of 6, and it'll be 25% off. Hope this all works.

 

yes, you can use a V6 T5

many have done it

 

A T5 is a T5 it will work. no problems there, radiator is the same size just the 305 has 2 fans. could be any year motor I guess but it looks like an all stock 305 but it has headers.
Thing runs great, just hit the gas and it will spin in circles smoking the tires.

I need a fly wheel, starter, bell housing, motor mounts, make and exhaust.

Not worried about the T5 at all it can take a 205 but how much more who knows. Think its a torque issue not really HP. T5 should be able to take 200-250 HP but how much torque. stock 305 had 245 torque

hard to say no to a free motor. Still rather do a 4.3 mod but I dont have one for free.

 

no, the V6 camaros recieved a 2 core radiator, while the V8's recieved a 3 core...........you do need to change radiators, otherwise i'd bet on some cooling issues

 

Im just reall excited about dumping all my computer crap. dam sensors and wires all over the place. screw it all.

about the only reason I even considered the 305. no computer no emmsion crap or very little. gimme a volt meter and a O2 sensor and ill be able t tun my car right and not how some dam computer wants it.

new tips guys, http://www.speedomotive.com

friend did his 460 stroker through them, cheap quality parts. he might just do a 383 or a 383 mouse kit this time. guy is cheap. just for main bearing and gaskets I would be close to 100 bucks. Through that dude I can get a rebuild kit for 135. few extra bucks and lots of extra parts.

 

gumby, i'm lost, unless HE ripped it out there is still an ECM, unless you cleared it up in an earlier post, i didn't see it..

 

its carbed with an HEI so what kind of a computer could it have??? no egr or smog pump, only the standard vaccum lines.

If it has an ecm it wont when im done wit hit. There is no need for a computer on a HEI carbed engine.

 

you'll need a vacuum advance distributor

the kid who i bought my Z28 from ripped the ECM out, and left the computer-advanced distributor in

so i wasnt getting any advance

if you want to pay shipping, you can have the vacuum advance distributor off my 350 for free (i dont need it cuz the 350 is gonna be TPI)

 

Well that sure is nice of ya. Wont be no anthrax or anything coming along with it??? hehehehe

my zip is 43618

Do you take paypal?


Im gonna write me a hit music country song
" Take this ECM and shove it!!!"

 

nope, no anthrax

my parents just want me to get rid of the **** i dont need
thats the stipulation for me to work on my cars at home
so i dont think i'll need it soon, considering i have one for my Z28
sorry, no paypal..........but a money order will work

i'll go to UPS right now to see shipping costs

 

$8

 

Are you sure it's not the original CCC (Computer Controlled Carburetor) quadrajet? Simple way to tell, pull the passenger side hush panel down (the panel above the passenger's feet, under the dash), and look for an ECM! Every 3rd gen f-body -- er, make that every f-body made for the USA -- has had a computer since '82. Actually, if you go out of the 3rd gens, the first computerized f-bodies were in 1981!!

 

I dont think the carb is computer controled, course what does that mean?

Friend bough the car for his woman, rebuilt the carb and stearing box. she drove it for a while then someone tried to steal it and it sat ever since.

 

pm me the detail on whee to send it.

 

It'd have stuff like an electric choke, (or did 82-83 have mechanical chokes?), throttle position sensor, mixture control solenoid, etc...

 

it migth have an eletric choke but i doubht it has te other stuff, kinda the reason he bought it for her cause it was all basic and simple to work one. he knew to stay away form 86 or newer.

he had a big fieasko with another girlsfriend 86 monte carlo and putting a stick in it. in 86 they took the weight off the crank and put it on the flywheel.

when I looed at it i did not see anything but the normal vacuum hoses n crap. looked very clean of any computer system but im sure the ecm runs some of the dash tihngs if anything.

I may still need the ecm for that stuff but i want full control over the engine.

 

Screw that - grab yourself a QJet off an older 2nd gen, and be done with ECM, if that's what you want.

Me? I kinda like full adjustability, while driving around. Just gotta reprogram it!

 

Well, hopefully it doesn't, but it wouldn't take long to check for it! Do you know if the car was made in Canada?

 

Hmm im gonna hafta check it out more. Whole reason he bought it cause it lacked any of that crap. he wanted it simple and basic to work on. I got a nice old manual q-jet or I know how to mod the vaccum kind.

I dont know much about the 85 computer and if it has one. But im up to hear wit hthe v6 one. too many sensors and crap. tuning a car is not that hard.

But right now we are tearing apart the 74 chevy truck, though im dying to get that 305 in my shead so I can start to tinker. I want to shread some tires or break some drive line components before winter sets in.

 

Hey buddy, friend, pal, PM me the detail on where to send that if the offer still stands.

as of right now im doing good. Picked up a nice intake today for cheap. $75 shipped.

Im eyeballing a edelbrock carb like the 1450 600cfm should be plenty, dont you think?

Just need to pick out a cam.

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wasnt someone just saying the other day that the v6 and 305 radiator is the same size just the 305 has two fans???? I got the engine free so I have a few bucks to spend but im really broks so Im looking for shortcuts to get me through this winter.

 

82-84 V6 radiators were smaller than 85-92 V6 radiators, so your might be the same size (or close to!) as that '85 V8's. I'm thinking that 85 uses a clutch fan instead of an electric fan if there isn't any computer, though. Keeping an electric fan isn't hard, you just need a fan switch, a fuse, and a relay. (Relay to give power to/take away power from the fan and fan switch when the car is OFF.)

 

the 85 motor dont look much different from his 74 350, just more vacuum hoses. Im hoping to cheat here and there. Gonna cost me I know it in the end. Free stuff allways cost more in the end.

But I already feel like im cheating on you guys. My V6 buddies. But the lour of more power is hard to resist. I can still pretend I have a V6 right??? Ill just unhook two spark plug wires when I visit here.

But im trying not to go too nuts cause it is just a T5, I have no intrest in doing a T56 mod. So I gotta keep it reasonable but i want more power. He has the 700r I could have or use but not really into auto's. An automatic sports car is kinda a$$backwards.

Sure would be nice to find a nice 4.3 for free. I would dump the 305 in a sec. Also looking at a stroker kit.

get a 355/383 kit but just bore the 305 enough. come up with my own 343 kits or something strange and odd to confuse people.

 

had a little falling out with the friend. Told him to shove his 305 where the sun dont shine.

With NOS and not have a heavy v8 in the front I bet the little 2.8 will be as fast or faster.

I ned a good wholesaler so i can get a NOS for 300, 500 is more than I want to spend.

 

Im using the stock v6 radaitor on the lt1, fan is programmed always on using tunercat and my coolant never goes above 209-211.

 

Earlier V8's got a 3 core rad, but later ones recieved a 2 core aluminum/plastic tanked one that works just as well if not better.

 

Where did this thread come from???

See I was almost tempted once with free 305 even bought an intake but quickly wised up and ditched the whole idea.

I figure if I can run my 2.8 so low on the stock radiator 150-160 if one wanted to it should be able to cool a V8 just fine.

 

There is no comparison between a 2.8 and a V8. I have had many cars with 2.8 and 3.1 motors. The 4.3 would be alot closer.

Yes I know this is a dead thread.

 

ummm, I'm pretty sure (99%) that a T% from a V6 won't even BOLT UP to a v8. Bellhousing is WAYY different. 60* bellhousings don't match 90* motors....sorry. If it were that easy, I would have thrown a V8 in my car before I ever considered the 3.4L.

 

well, the difference between the v6 and v8 auto and manual transmissions is that the T5 tranny can have the bellhousing swapped, unlike the v6 automatic counterpart....from what i've been hearing, it actually is "that easy"

 

Its not really all that hard to pull a tranny anyhow. I would have just swapped to a V8 700R4 and put in either a 350 or a 4.3.

 

The hardest part isnt pulling the tranny or anything else. Its changing the motor mounts.

 

Cut the old mounts out and weld the new ones on. I might seriously do that myself.

 

thats wut i did

 

well i guess you can't beat a free engine, but if i was going to go through all the hassle of an engine swap, i wouldn't put anything smaller than a 350 in there. i think you'll get bored of the power very quickly, and 305's are a terrible base for modding (lots of $$, little power gains)

but it is a step up from what you currently have, i just wouldn't do it personally

 

I was gonna do that but it when it came down to it we didnt have the tools to do it so instead we did it the hard way..
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i wouldn't put anything smaller than a 350 in there.
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This seems to be the bandwagon alot of people on this site are jumping on. Fact is chevy 350's are not as easy to find (unless you spring for a create motor) as they used to be. Theres nothing wrong with the 305 esp if your gonna replace a tired lil 2.8 with it.

305 with the stock 3.42 rear end will be a world of a difference over the 2.8.

You dont get as much hp per $ as you would with a 350 but its a hell of alot better than a v6.

 

the hoses go in diferent spots too

 

I hear that a whole lot - the 305 is a crap motor, not worth it's value in scrap metal, blah blah blah... I don't hve one, I was lucky enough to find that the GTA had a 350 in it (whooo-hoooo!) but WHY does most everybody pick on a motor that's been around a very long time and works? Can somebody spill out some cold hard data to support the belief that 305 SBC's suck beans, or is it all opinion?

 

You get more hp for the $ in mods with the 350 then you do with the 305.

You'll come to see alot of people just repeat what someone else says on here and really dont have a clue why they say what they say.

Sure you could make more power with a 350 easier then you could with a 305,but to keep a tired v6 over a good running 305 is , well you know

 

yeah i know the 305 is a good improvement over his 2.8. IMO though, if i was going to go through the time and hassle of an engine swap, i'd make sure it was an engine that would be a good base for modding later

 

If an '85 V-8 were to have an electric fan setup (like the TPIs) then it would be a SINGLE electric fan. Dual fans didn't appear until 1987 IIRC. My '86 has a single.

HP per $$$? It's a tough comparison when the 305 is "free". Thats a lot of HP / $$$.

 

That's what I thought. If you can find an LG4 or an L03 for next to nothing, and it surely out-torques the V6 you used to have, then it's a hella upgrade, right? If you're on a shoestring budget, I'd think that the 305 would be the thing to do as no one wants then and practically give them away.

 

Gah.. Pasky, why did you revive this thread? There's no purpose to it. Now everyone thinks Gumby's in the middle of a V8 swap that he abandoned a year and a half + ago.