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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 07:17 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
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Cold Air for TBI- alternate.

Posting a few pics (top, side and bottom) of my TBI air intake system that uses components from a 93 caprice, custom plenum and stock TPI setup.
Different views follow.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 07:19 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Installed pic

On car.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 07:23 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Side view

I used stock sensors and locations from the 93 Caprice air cleaner assembly.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 07:26 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Bottom view

The cut-out in the steel plenum is to accomodate the EGR valve on the GMPP TBI-Vortec intake manifold. They put it up front on that manifold for some reason and without the cutout, there is interference.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 07:31 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
TBI-Vortec Intake Installed

This pic shows the location of the EGR valve (front left) on the TBI-Vortec intake that the air intake had to clear.

This rest of the setup includes stock 91 TPI components. Air Filters are in the stock TPI location.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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Car: '91 t-top RS; '91 hrdtp Z28
Engine: LO3;383tpi
Transmission: 700r4;very nice 700r4
Axle/Gears: 4.10 zt posi, 3.70 auburn
Very, very nice. Definetely fabrication of high quality. Is it cold air or ram air?
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 01:37 AM
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I wonder if that one would clear everything okay on my Holley double pumper...
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 02:32 AM
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that looks very nice, but i think that would be restrictive compared to an open element.
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 02:41 PM
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as I said in my pm. looks just fine.
I also don't know, if this is a restriction but when there is enough incoming air....
I've got a similar setup with an open element...(site in sig, page 4)
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 10:32 PM
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From: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -RIPHST
Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Originally posted by r90camarors
Very, very nice. Definetely fabrication of high quality. Is it cold air or ram air?
Just cold air. I have the z-28 grill and was considering the ram air idea, but ran out of gas. Have just been driving it lately.
S-D

Edit: I should mention that the quality of fabrication hinged largely on having access to the right tools (band saw, sheet metal brake and a good mig welder). I manged the cutting and bending just fine, but I could have done a little better on my welds. I didn't want to burn through, so I turned the heat down. My friend (whose welder I was using) casually mentioned that some of the welds looked like, "I picked my nose and wiped a few boogers on there." What a guy he is.
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 10:41 PM
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Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Originally posted by 92 z28
that looks very nice, but i think that would be restrictive compared to an open element.
Thanks for the compliment-
In terms of filter size, I have two TPI filters, probably 4" by 4"? That is just an approximation on my part. I'm sure an open air element has more exposed filter surface area. My main goal here was to draw cold air from outside the engine compartment, which this system does.
In addition, this allowed me to retain stock sensors and locations.
Beyond that, I imagine that the engineers at GM would provide their high performance 350 TPI engines with adequate air flow, so went with pre-formed parts where they were available (TPI filter housing and flex tube).
I'm sure there is something better out there, it just eventually comes down to cost v. benefits v. overall objectives....
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 10:52 PM
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Car: 1991 RS
Engine: 383TBI Fastburns and 2"TB
Transmission: T56 held up by Spohnstuff
Originally posted by S!MON
as I said in my pm. looks just fine.
I also don't know, if this is a restriction but when there is enough incoming air....
I've got a similar setup with an open element...(site in sig, page 4)
greetz

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Simons setup is as good a compromise between an open element and cold air that I have seen.

I am always suprised at how warm the engine bay of these camaros get when the cowl seal is in place. It really keeps the heat under the hood. Simons system likely goes a long way towards minimizing the effect of the heat.

I suppose for a strict drag car, the open element with a cowl induction hood or similar would be the easiest. For me keeping it cool while driving in traffic and retaining a somewhat stock appearance has its merits as well.

Thanks for all your inputs-
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Old Aug 17, 2003 | 03:34 AM
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Car: '91 t-top RS; '91 hrdtp Z28
Engine: LO3;383tpi
Transmission: 700r4;very nice 700r4
Axle/Gears: 4.10 zt posi, 3.70 auburn
I can't wait to see how the ram air turns out when you deside to fab it! With your quality of work, it will probably turn out better than slp's at a fraction of the cost. I have been trying to figure something out for mine, but no luck. I bought an air cleaner off of a '91 4.9 tbi caddy engine from a junk yard, but it sits just a tad to high. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 12:24 AM
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What year caprice did you get parts from?
Never mind reading pwns me.
So the stock 93 caprice sensors worked?

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Old Apr 2, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by darkangel777
What year caprice did you get parts from?
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1991-1993 Chev Caprice, 1991-1993 Buick Roadmaster, 1991-1992 Olds Custom Cruiser. All are TBI with the plastic toaster air cleaner housing.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Re: Cold Air for TBI- alternate.

what are your mods and what kink of numbers do you think you are getting out of that vortec/intake setup you have.
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