I've been loosely debating the idea of a single T04 turbo in the T/A


I am thinking to have an exaust log like setup that meets the turbo at about where the canister is on most 3gens. (pass side) and then route the pressurised air back around the front, have an air-air intercooler in front of the rad, and then up the other side through the fenderwell to the tpi.

main issue though...... the front of the t/a is closed and to get air to the intercooler I may have to cut some holes. but I don't want the front of my car to appear distasteful.

any ideas or pics of t/a's with the front end opened up????

 

Just supercharge it. I just ordered a vortech supercharger from summit racing. it was about 3300... comes with everything you need to bolt it up and start driving, including a vortec fuel management unit!

 

you could always stick it infront of the motor right behind the radiator if you could find a smaller intercooler- thats where the stock grand national intercooler is- front mount is more efficient but between the motor and rad would still work

 

If you have access to a welder and the right tools, i am sure this could be done easily and cheap. I actually would like to work on a single turbo for my car and possibly toss another one on in the future. Is this what you were thinking of, but maybe a little modified? This actually came from a turboed 240sx. I am sure you could use the stock log manifolds from an L98 cause Kingtal0n did a diy turbo with the stock manifolds. It all really depends on how motivated you are. I plan on going to school for cars soon so I will see if I can do something along the lines of a single turbo.

Interested on anyone elses input!

P.S. Don't just read forums write on them!

 

I would like to do a single turbo style. only problem is my car is a carb and soon to be is a TBI camaro when i buy it. if you could create a Y-pipe that would connect where the factory one does or raise it up some, i think that you could do it.

 

It would be so much easier to just make your own manifold, the problem with using the y-pipe is you would have to do too much fabricating and then find a way to put a flange on it for the turbo to bolt up. T04 turbo's seem to be going for about 250 on e-bay, but if you searched hard enough i am sure you could find a bargain or a deal. I think this is easier to do than we think.

 

i dont' know about single turbo's but i'll be putting in twin turbos over the summer...i'll take lots of pictures and let you know how it turns out

 

or you could do it the right way and run 9's

 

here

 

I think you should ask this question in the power adder forum. Also check out www.turbomustangs.com , lots of info over there on chevys not just : gasp : mustangs, I plan on building a single turbo blow thru carb using a flipped shorty header on the pass. side and having the drivers side come around under the front of the oil pan (tubular kmember makes it possible).

 

383backinblack do you have anymore pics or your set up...mainly the manifold. Or could you explain maybe...i just wanted to know

 

A topic from last year

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=217973

 

lol its not my car.....its a friend of mines his name is preston smith.......aka smitty

that car has been in a few magazines.......all totally custom, very very very clean and driveable....gets like 25mpg and its quiet

it has a 4l80e in it

 

Ive got quite a few pictures of his car. I have not spoken with Smitty in quite some time though.

browse through here and anything labeled smitty is one of his car
http://hustonstreetracing.com/turbo/

 

any ideas of how fast it is???

 

nevermind

Preston's car is powered by a 305 cubic inch factory block. He has custom headers which he bolted a T76 Innovative Turbo onto. Preston uses his car as a daily driver. He also races it and his best ET to date is 9.95 @ 135 mph.

 

nope....its a bowtie block, nothing like a factory block at all

it just HAPPENS to be 305 cubic inches lol.....it is in NO way related to an OEM 305

 

More pic's of prestons car.

BTW the video floating around of the 9second run was while it had a Supercharger on it. Not the turbo setup.

Im sure its just as quick if not quicker now.

http://www.cecoatings.com/images/oth...oCars/preston/

 

that thing is routinely around town.....its scary knowin that thing is about 3 streets away all the time lol

 

hehe, ya I bet. Verry nice SLEEPER!!

His car is what makes me want Weld XP's to bad they discontinued em.

 

I'm interested in the crossmember clearance on that setup....between the mount, Kmember, and oil pan I don't remeber having much clearance. Is this car running an aftermarket tubular Kmember?

While I'm posting in a single turbo thread.....I'm starting a setup of my own. I have been searching furiously to find out what size turbo to start with. Initially I'm going to be using stock heads and bottom end, L98 350. I've got the Stealthram intake and will probably be using the comp cam 502 cam. I'm looking for a turbo that will support 350rwhp at 8-9psi. I've seen guys use the holsten MX50, but I would really like to get something cheaper than that. I've been looking into the T4's....like the ones on single turbo supra's. I am looking for A/R specs that will work for my motor producing 350rwhp at 9psi. As well as any other important specs.

Thanks
Ryan

 

Prestons setup was made with the STOCK K member befor he swaped in a tubular.

Check out this thread also. Good shots of a diff setup that Brian from B&G Turbo makes.











B&G CUSTOM TURBO FABRICATIONS
(740)686-2897
www.bgturbokits.com


Id assume you actually meant a HOLSET HX50? Im about to run a HOLSET HX55 on a 420sbc. I'm having a Custom setup that looks almost identical to prestons setup above. (the maroon camaro) Only diff will be the cross over will be set back so you cant see it since Im running a tubular k member to start with. Brian from B&G is making the setup for me.

As for what turbo for you to run depends on your budget. How much do you want to spend?

A good link for you to search on also....

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...?s=&forumid=20

 

I'm trying to get as budget minded as I can...less than $500 for the turbo. I've got a 350 L98 with the Holley Stealth Ram, stock cam (will probably step up to the Comp Cam 502 before the turbo), stock heads, and a standalone SD engine management system called Megasquirt. I'm gonna leave the heads and bottom end alone for now....and I'm looking to put 9psi to the stock 9.3:1 motor. I've been doing some research and found a few turbos that might work. A garrett T4 60-1 is one of them as well as the Holset turbos. With holset....if i could get one off a truck that would be pretty cheap junkyard part, but the stock truck ones are only 35's. I need a turbo capable of efficiently running 400hp at 9psi.

If you could help me out or point me in the right dirrection that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Ryan

 

you could use a holset hx35w that's internally wastegated. the 35 will flow up to about 450hp if you out grow the 35 you can always upgrade to close to hx40 specs or upgrade to a hx40. it would be a bolt on affair. check out some dodge websites. most dodge rams came with 35's stock and there are many for sale cheap. you can usually score a 35w for about $250 in excellent cond. there are also links to having the 35's upgraded. there is a guy on turbomustangs.com running a basicly stock 351w ford with an hx35 making 450 horse. also check out brian at b&g turbo linked from that site. i've fabed my own system myself and when i get ready to do my next (86 t/a) i will call brian. his stuff is so reasonably priced it's just not worth doing it yourself. even for a cheap @ss like myself. his craftsmanship is top notch as well. my last i built i had an hx35 and never got to dyno but would bet it would have been slightly abouve 600 hp to the wheels. i'm doing a 350 now for my 86 and i've got world product sr torker heads w/2.02- 1.60 a later i pc. rear main and 4blt bottom end. just need to rebuild my short block. probably just go with a trw forged, cast crank w/good qual studs in the rods/mains/heads.good luck.

 

i say go for the squires rear mounted turbo system, i don't know if they have it for the thirdgen but maybe a fourthgen setup might be modded to work
i believe the link is
www.ststurbo.com

 

So the holset 35....that comes stock on the cummins deisel will be a good turbo, I just need to change it to a external wastegate? The wastegate in that turbo is what holds it's capabilities down? I've been looking at the T4's that supra's use when upgrading to the single turbo setup. .60 compressor and about 1.2, 1.3 on the turbine side. This company called XSspeed sells a "brand new" turbo with garret internals, a wastegate, and blow off vavle for $450. My buddy has a 2nd gen probe, and he's part of the community that turbo's them....he said his buddy bought a T3/T4 and had to send it back a few times....and it was from this company. Anybody else heard of them? experience with them?

Ryan

 

I'm curious why you're trying to stuff the turbo under the hood? I think this is a much better approach.

Lon

 

Better? No ... Not better at all. It might be easier to find room for the turbo back there but it is better to have it close to the engine.

 

i like this approach!

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/ron_barton_turbo_ss

 

two reasons......

1. Turbo's LOVE heat.....they thrive on it, so the farther it is from the exhaust coming out of the heads the cooler the exhaust is.

2. The farther away the compressor outlet is from the TB....the more the turbo has to work to push air into the engine.

There is plenty of room in a thirdgen engine bay anyway....no hood clearance issues.

Ryan

 

The issues of remote turbocharger location (and why it's not the best idea) have been covered many times before, just do a search on the board.

Let's stay on topic and focus on the in-bay installation and discuss options. I am very interested in adding a turbocharger in near future and appreciate all the good input in this thread so let's not stray away from the real topic here.

Thanks
Lou

 

Are those headers on Smitty's car just block huggers straight out of the catalog?

 

Sorry. I THOUGHT the topic was he was looking for ideas on a single turbo installation with TPI. I can't understand why a suggestion that doesn't require an intercooler and solves the issues of under-hood heat and packaging issues would be considered off-topic. End of discussion (for me).

Lon

 

double post

 

the turbo may love heat, but the engine doesn't love hot air

plus, the topic says single turbo tpi, not under the hood single turbo tpi

 

100+ inches of LAG what a great idea!

 

the holset hx35w is internally wastgated. there is the 35 and then the 35w (w=wastegate) you can modify it for manual controll. both the hx35 (w) and hx40 have t4 style flanges. an hx40 or h1e (you need to check the h1e's as they came in different a/r's) can flow upwards around 750hp. if you want to go your own route and don't want to buy from brian or an assembled "kit" elsewhere, then a set of s-10 conversion headers facing forward will work great. on my last (mustang ) i had a 351w and made my own system using mandrell bent pipe and shortie headers flipped. next was the i/c. the more i reasearched the more i found it too wasn't as meets the eye. improper design or sizing can cause many problems like pressure restrictions, poor throttle response bla, bla, bla. so i started looking into alcohol &/or water injection. i will be using it on this project i'm doing now.. everything i've found/read leads me to believe it's every bit as good as an i/c. there are some who claim higher boost/timming with the alky over i/c. perhaps it is because of a poorly designed i/c? either way it seems to be a viableo option especially for those who are space limited.

http://www.alkycontrol.com/

http://www.holset.co.uk/files/4_3_1-...ur%20turbo.php

don't want to sway off topic but i looked into the rearmount systems out there. i was thinking about building one for myself. as stated above, part of the reason they don't work well is heat=pressure. from what i've read there is no REAL comparison between the two systems. there is no cost advantage either. remember with a rear mount you now have to find a way to feed/return oil to the turbo. this will require a mile of braided hose and a pump to run oil at hight tempretures ect. the only down side i guess would be less speeding tickets seroiusly, the advantage i guess would be fabrication. it does require some down time to layout/fabricate turbo piping and plumbing. my motor has recently met ill fate so down time is really not a problem at the moment for me. good luck. anything i can help with i'll try. i'm certianly not mr.turbo expert

 

No, they are not. Block huggers interfier with the motor mounts.. They were custom made.

id like to find out who did em just to know.

Im having brian from B&G copy that setup on prestons car. Talking to brian the last few weeks He actually thinks thats one of his OLD setups he made for someone. he says he made if for someone in FLA. well Preston Lives in FLA. so It might be.

The Only diff Im having done is I shipped him my Tubular k member so I could do a larger crossover and in a diff location so It wont be seen looking under the hood at the front of the motor..


anyways...

Look on ebay I see HX35w's and HX40's all the time.

I dono if you are dead set on a single or not but I know a guy who has 2 Brand new t04b's F/S

t04b Info
t5/t6 compressor wheel trim
between turbonetics S and V trim
60 AR compressor
inducer 2.03
exducer 2.75
p trim turbine wheel
.96 ar on center housing
54mm compressor wheel

Im sure either a Single HX40 or Twin 60/63 T's or t94b's will get you to your goals.

 

preston smith lives in dracut mass, and his setup is his own design.

 

I dono about that, maybe his design, but either these people stole the pic, or heres where he had em done.

http://www.customtubesinc.com/photo_.../9_jpg_jpg.jpg

 

That is prestons car. The color is probably photoshop work.

Compare to this picture:
http://hustonstreetracing.com/turbo/smitty12.jpg

Even the modified inner fender is identical, and that is not needed to install the turbo.

 

thats his car, i see this car and talk to preston just about every time i am at new england dragway which is usually once a week, as 383backinblack as my witness that is prestons car. there arent many other TPI injected 302sbcs with coil pack ignition running around.

 

preston smith lives 2 streets over from me....in MASSACHUSETTS, and the entire turbo setup on that car is custom made, by him for him.....he's lived here the entire time,

any information to the contrary is totally false.....that car has been in just super chevy, chp, and others i believe back when it had a blower, and later with the turbo setup.

I know preston personally, and talk to him often......i don't know where alot of you people get your "im a cool internet guy and i know whats going on with people that i have never met" information

 

he did the work, thats his car photoshopped for color like some already said, that picture looks like its in his garage, seeing as he's a neighbor

 

yup, that was a modification he did for the supercharger setup he had on the car back in the day

 

I realized I said he live din FLA. after I made the post. I was thinking of Tom P. a diff person.

as for me saying what I said about who was "THOUGHT" to make the steup. It was said by Briag from B&G Turbo because he says he made a setup that looks identical to that years ago for someone in FLA. He said he caouldnt be sure if he made that one but the V band claps were in IDENTICAL sposts and looks reallly close to what he built years ago for someone. never did he say YA THATS MINE.

Only said Its not a problem to make a setup like that for me bcuase he knows he already did one like it befor In the past.