ran woodburn this past weekend...used a nos 50 shot and borrowed my friends drag slicks...spun kinda bad off the line and on the 1-2 shift but otherwise it was a great run..even beat a grand national!......bad thing is i pulled the car into the garage sunday to re adjust my rockers..and install my wire looms.now nowthing happens when i try to start the damn car!!! at first it would rev at about 700 rpm...go to give it gas and it would rev to 1500 max...acted like it was flooding..so i leaned the carb out a little...and it was worse..wouldnt fire but would spitter and sputter.tried again and im getting nothing at all..it dont even try to fire up. any ideas? this has me baffled...ive gone through all the wires to see if something got nudged or something..and everything checks out ok..!??

 

Nice time!

 

Check all the ignition components, plugs, cap, rotor, wires, etc... Other than that, I don't know. Non starting problems are the worst to diagnose.

[This message has been edited by RSFreak (edited October 23, 2001).]

 

man i know its got me so confused..thing is..it drove in the garage just fine..ran great and has ran great ...then all ova sudden this started when i tried to bak it out of the garage..ive checked everything..i dunno wuhz next

 

an what makes things worse...nothing on this motor..or ignition or wires...is used..everything and i mean EVERYTHING is new..even the wiring harness!!!

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1982 PONTIAC TRANSAM..406 SMALL BLOCK
2.02 heads
big cam
700r4 tci transmission 3000 stall

currently running 11.842 in the 1/4...damn thing wont start now tho..!!!

 

Reset your timing lie you were going to start it for the first time. You might have moved the dist.

Did you adjust the rockers with the car running? If you didn't tsk, tsk, you might not be having this problem now.

 

That's a great time, Mark406! Gotta love the trap speed too.

 

yes i adjusted the rockers while it was running...and i havent bumped the dist.. i pulled the accel coil off and thats it..repulled it to make sure everything was connecting..its fine things seriously pissin me off..been workin on it all damn night. ive got it to sputter ONCE!!!! thats it....thankz quick i was told the trap was kinda high for the e/t...meaning i could have a lower e/t with better traction correct? it was a handful down the track and scared the **** out ov me ona few passes

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1982 PONTIAC TRANSAM..406 SMALL BLOCK
2.02 heads
big cam
700r4 tci transmission 3000 stall

currently running 11.842 in the 1/4...damn thing wont start now tho..!!!

 

Yes. The trap speed indicates you have potential for low 11s. In reality you might get into 10s because you likely don't even have the motor tuned yet. Right now you are making in the neighborhood of 425 RWHP on the juice. That qualifies you as having one BAAAAD ride

Be sure to slowly grow into this car. It will be flat out dangerous on street tires. It can fishtail and get out of control very quickly. That's especially bad when you're going 60 mph. But it's going to be hard to wipe that silly grin off your face either way

 

i drove it home....omg im used to driving my dads toyota pickup...yunno mash da gas on the freeway onramp..and it slowly accelerates.....was in the transam on the way back home...getting on the onramp..got on it a little bit yunno..noticed a semi not to far away...complelty gunned it and it fishtailed insanely..scared da ever loving crap outta me..going to take awhile to get used to..same with my 02..altho sadly to say..my 02 might have to go becuase ov school in feburary


btw..what kinda hp is taht at the motor..dont you take into affect 20% drivetrain loss?..what would it take to run 11s all day long on the motor?


[This message has been edited by mark406 (edited October 23, 2001).]

 

Try backing off all your rockers a 1/4 to half turn. Could be too tight.

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1986 SC Camaro
Mods: Threw 2.8 in garbage, put in rebuilt
350 .060 over, XE268H Comp cam, Edlebrock
Performer Intake and Edlebrock 600 CFM Carb,
Pete Jackson noisy GearDrive (which sounded
cool for about 5 minutes, now I'm sick of it)
Rebuilt TH350, 3.42 Rear Gears. LCA RLB's.
B&M Mega Shifter.
Now has T5 in it. YES!!!
CenterForce Dual Friction Clutch.

 

I know that every thing is new but,

Do you have spark? If so,

Are you getting fuel? Air?

I know that these 3 questions seem simplpe, but, as we all know these are the 3 main things that can help us solve our engine problems. Also, do you have electronic spark unit? It could be the modulator if it is electronic. I had a similar problem with my vett. Good luck!

 

do you have a roll cage? If not, did the track mention it to you after you ran the sub 12. time? I am wondering what i will run with the new motor and am concerned with the fact that sub 12 sec cars are required to have cages in them. I think i am going to put a set of spoohn sub frmae connectors on because of all of the HP? Do you have subframes on yours? Great time by the way!

 

Ya, one thing I've learned is if you smash the throttle be sure to get in the clear lane FIRST! Othewise you'll run right up on someone's butt before you can get in the other lane and you're going to hope you've got really good brakes.

As far as crank Hp goes I don't know exactly what your losses are but I would venture to guess you're making about 500 Hp on the 50-shot of nitrous.

You have any suspension mods? What torque converter are you using? Are you expecting to continue to use the 700R4 tranny? I think you should expect the tranny to burn up within a couple months. At that time you might consider a 4L80E or whatever those truck trannys are (I can't keep all the numbers straight in my head). They made them for a year or two without computer controls.

 

its a tci built 700r4..with a 3000 stall converter..only susp mods are adjustable tq arm and rear control arms koni shocks..thats it so far..and btw it was my coil..water got in the cap somehow..dont ask me how lol.replaced it with a new accel unit and she fired right up..drove it to and from work today..LMFAO@ tha looks it gets i love it! had 3 people try and race me...one i couldnt resist..i love kicked prelude *** !

 

sorry..no i dont have a roll cage..and yes the trach tech did mention it and i cant return to race next season until i have a roll cage if im still running 11s. i ran 12.1 and 12.2s all day long on just the motor and the 50 shot set me in the 11s all in all i ran 13 passes...everyone said it sounded badass fer a 3rd gen...and i kept wondering wtf is taht suppose to mean??...there were 2 fbodys there..lol i owned both of them..mostly chevelles impalas cars like that..and a grand national...which i ran and beat!!!

 

Hehe... 3000 stall ought to feel gooooood. Your suspension has got the right stuff. I wouldn't worry about anything except good old trial and error tuning. Although, you didn't mention subframe connectors. If you don't have those now it is highly recommended you get them before you torture the car much more. A good hook really twists the body and it will show by misaligned body components.

Ahhhhhhhhh, your stories... you make me want my car done NOW!

 

i gotta get a hood!!! ne body have a cowl 4 inch for a firebird they wanna sell at a resonable price? even larger cowl...lemme kno wutcha got if anything..took the transam cruisin tonight just got home a few mins ago.won 200 bucks racing some dumbass guy ina 302 ford farimont lmfao.complelty humiliated his *** .i still cant beleive the amount of people who..when i pull up to a light..rev there engine cuz they wanan race..it blows my mind! granted they've got 3inch 2 chamber 40 series flowmaster shootin fumez n tunes at em but dam..hehehe its cool...btw imho it does sound bad *** ...qwiktrp.....any ideas how to get a little bit more lowend tq? with out sacarficing abunch ov high hp..? it does not come on strong until about 2300 or so..and pulls like a bitch up to and past 6k...havent pushed it past 6..but its still pulling hard.ive had more then enuff fun for now..im going to break it in nice n easy now n drive it like a ole lady fer about 500 miles er so..that right?after that holy hel lwatch out ima run the hell outat this thing

btw sorry im rantin n ravin buh im stoked i luv this thing anyone around my area {albany salem eugene oregon wanna get together some time or something....btw ima try like mad to get to that gathering that joe is talkin about!

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1982 PONTIAC TRANSAM..406 SMALL BLOCK
2.02 heads
big cam
700r4 tci transmission 3000 stall

currently running 11.842 in the 1/4...damn thing wont start now tho..!!!

 

I'm not sure I can be of much help there but go ahead and tell me about your combo. Also, with a 3000 stall you shouldn't even see 2300 rpm with any type of throttle. What kind of rpm are you actually flashing to off the line?

 

what i flash to?..im not sure i understand...i know that if i hold the brakes and hit the gas at same time..i start to spin the wheels at about 2000 or so..

combo..
400 chevy bored .030 over
2.02 1.60 heads ported n polished
wieand single plane high rise manifold
1 inch carb spacer..and the 1/2 inch nos plate
custom grind cam...248 duration@.050 and 498 lift i belive, 106 lsa
pete jackson gear drive...holley street avenger 770 carb...msd billet dist..msd 9mm wires....btw crank rods and pistons are all forged..currently at 11.3 to 1 compression..running a mixture of 110 race fuel and 93 premium..timing set @38 total...need anymore info??i probably left alot out...btw i thank you alot for your generosity and help..and btw...i love yer bird man!

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1982 PONTIAC TRANSAM..406 SMALL BLOCK
2.02 heads
big cam
700r4 tci transmission 3000 stall

currently running 11.842 in the 1/4...damn thing wont start now tho..!!!

 

A motor like that is starting to get out of my league. I don't have experience with lumpy cams like that and I don't really have any useful input.

Unless you have a custom built converter the advertised stall speed is a generic number (custom ones will actually do exactly what they say). Every engine will result in a different stall speed. Actually, there's no such thing as stall speed. Converters "flash" to an rpm level on launch. But everyone calls it stall speed so we'll just keep talking that way for consistency. When you install an advertised 3000 rpm stall converter in your car and it only pulls 2000 rpm there's a problem. You either didn't get a 3000 stall converter or your motor is so weak at low rpm it can't create enough torque to flash the converter to 3000 rpm. Because it's sooooo far off from 3000 rpm and the engine obviously runs hard I would be suspicious that your torque converter is not a 3000 stall. If your converter worked as you wanted you wouldn't be experiencing any weak power down low.

Just as a side note, the term "stall speed" has also resulted in confusion among most people. The reason why is because they treat the converter as if it really does have a stall speed - They power brake the car with as much throttle as possible and then try to launch. This is actually counter productive. The tranny fluid heats up and gets aerated. This makes the converter less effective and less consistent. In reality what you want to do is bring the rpms up to about 1200 to 1500 rpm and then "flash" the converter to 3000 rpm on the launch. This will result in much better operation of the converter and you'll launch harder (given traction).

[This message has been edited by QwkTrip (edited October 25, 2001).]

 

On the street?

My gawd magnum!

 

You might be able to save money on gas too if you back off the timing and put in premium pump gas.

 

umm run 11.3 cr on pump gas? lol..detonation from hell dood..and yes its got a hella huge cam..it aint practical..but who cares it aint streetable..but who cares..its actually not that bad on the street.and quik...i realized what you were saying about getting in the clear lane before trying to pass..i almost ran up under a epedition while tryin to pass it on the way home tonight..and i had some stoopid *** try to basically kill me tonight..mexican ina ford tbird was going like 50 down a 55 and i wanted to pass..so i pulled out n started to pass him..didnt floor it or anything just went to pass him..the ******* decided to accelerate so i couldnt pass him..so i went a little faster ..he did the same thing..so i slammed my fo0t throught the dam radiator almost..{btw it'll break the tires loose from a rolling 50 mph if you downshift to second}..ended up passing him in a corner..i was steaming! i was playing around with it today and found out that...i get the best launch and times{used my gtech} if i wait until the lights just about to turn..then run it upto 1500.soon as it goes green...press tha gas about 1/2 way once its stops spinning..press it a little more..shift into second @ 5800rpm..let off a little bit so it doesnt break loose when it shifts..then jus nail it and steer
does chirp and slide on the 3-4 buh easily controllable

 

With that big of a cam, assuming you have really good heads, and trimming back the timing you should be able to run pump gas during normal street use. Although, you won't be able to do full throttle banzi runs. But that's going to net you a huge ticket anyway. Then when you go to the track fill it up with race fuel and advance the timing. That's exactly what the pro-street guys do. It's also the same idea I employed on my Vette. At 9.3:1 compression I ran 12psi of boost every day. I don't remember what my effective compression ratio was but it exceeded 16:1. If I ran it at the track I'd fill with C10 and advance the timing.

[This message has been edited by QwkTrip (edited October 26, 2001).]