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Old 06-22-2013, 08:47 PM
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How Cold is your r12 retrofit to 134a?

Lets just keep it R12-R134... i know theres better refrigerants but GMAB....

Did a Evac and recharge few days ago... My systems as im sure all of ours holds 2.2lbs r12... and 134a doesnt take that much. so i guessed at 2lbs. I had while it was roughly 90*f... +/-3*

Min-62*F Steady in traffic, Max High
Min-50*F On Max High going down the interstate 2hrs steady 70-80mph
Accumulator temp was at 47*


Then Today, i Replaced the orifice tube to the Famous Ford Blue..
Same Temperature outside... on my way home tonite....

50-53* in traffic Max High

42-44* 20 minutes of mixed highway/city Driving.

Accumulator temp was at 37*f


8* may not be a huge difference....... But Im from Maine, Moved to NC a year ago. and i'll take the colder 8 Deg. It was def. worth it for me......

Is there any other smarter to use orifice tubes being used in our Thirdgen's??
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Re: How Cold is your r12 retrofit to 134a?

The deal with R134 is that it moves at a higher pressure so go offset that, I always suggest at some point swapping to a higher output electric fan to pull more heat out of the condensor-that faster the Freon moves through the system, the less time there is for heat dissipation.
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Re: How Cold is your r12 retrofit to 134a?

Or just switch to R-152a aka Diflorethane aka Air Duster. I have it in my 2012 Titan and it gets down to 37°F on the highway and runs 50 psi less head pressure than 134. My 97 Express has Duracool which is a propane based blend. It blows ice cubes as well and also runs much lower head pressures..
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Re: How Cold is your r12 retrofit to 134a?

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The deal with R134 is that it moves at a higher pressure so go offset that, I always suggest at some point swapping to a higher output electric fan to pull more heat out of the condensor-that faster the Freon moves through the system, the less time there is for heat dissipation.
No amount of airflow mods really help R134a at idle, I tried many on my Express with little help to its performance. I sealed the fan shroud to the radiator and the radiator to the condenser with foam, added a HD fan clutch and a tow package cooling fan from a Tahoe. Still not satisfied I put a 16" 2,500 cfm electric fan between the radiator and mechanical fan on a custom mount. Best I could cool was about 48°F on a hot day at idle. Dropped in Duracool and instant 35-38° vent temps at idle with both fans on high.
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Re: How Cold is your r12 retrofit to 134a?

8° is a huge difference! The blue orifice tube definitely looks to be worth the $5 cost.
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