GreeseMonkey16

i have and 89 camaro rs with a 305 in it right now. 1- do you think it would be possible to put a nissan RB26DETT in? 2- If you answered yes to the first one do you think it would actually work? considering wieght and all that other crap? ( i know it prolly sounds dumb but i wanna do something crazy and this is what i came up with and if your wondering wear i got the idea if you say fast and the furious tokyo drift.... they put a nissan 240zx engines in like a 79 mustang or something) IDK tell me what you think!!! thankz =)

cameron7710

i dont think thats a good idea but thats just my opinion i dont think import engines should b put in american cars

bingo

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I believe it was a 68 Mustang they put the skyline engine in. I think it could be cool if done well. It would be pretty expensive unless you know someone with an engine.

Orr89RocZ

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can be done... if it fit in a 69 stang it can fit in a camaro. gotta do custom turbo piping which gets expensive, and those RB motors arent that cheap either to get over here.

NOT sure about the transmission...may need a bellhousing adapter to a TH350/TH400 or some other trans. I know my local import shop has a 9 second drag race 240 that i think uses a RB motor and GM trans of some sort. I dont know for sure tho.

RB motors are SOLID motors, a great motor to build.. but i think its best to do somethign else unless you realy have the cash to blow and want something different.

bingo

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I am going to tell you now that a lot of people are going to flame you for this. I wish you luck with the project. This is a link to the Tokyo Drift car. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=115639

Z28ricer

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Heres your list of obstacles and why it'd be a huge waste of money comparatively to whats available and will install without a lot of trouble.

1. The main problem with swapping one in is the fact that they come with a front sump oil pan. So you'll have a lot of fabbing to do because the f body steering linkage isnt going to cooperate with a front sump.

2. Your going to have to get the RB25DET RWD transmission, which cost a good bit now since everyone wants one, I believe typical cost now is about $1200

3. The intake manifold probably wont clear the stock a/c box if you are keeping a/c.

4. You are going to probably pay $4000 for a complete RB26DETT, add in $1000-1500 for a RB25 RWD transmission. Then you are going to spend a boatload of money just trying to get it into the car, all this for an engine that really isnt going to propel your car any faster than an LS1 dollar for dollar.

A swap that would be *slightly* better for your $ would be to get a 1JZGTTE with R154 and install that, they can be had with a rwd sump oil pan, you can get it for a lot less $ than the RB, and the exhaust side of the engine being passenger, would allow for a custom manifold which would let you keep the a/c. The shifter should end up in the correct spot with the supra style transmission.

ossseo28

it would be diff. but i don't see the point. i mean why dont you just buy a skyline if you really want the engine? and also a camaro is an American muscle car not a little *****. I think if u put it in the car it would be discrace to the Camaro name. just like i think it was a discrace to the Mustang with that engine in it.

Elephantismo

Flame all ya want... I'm doin one like this next. Imma get a big steam boiler and hook it up to a turbine that exhausts straight out the back over the axle. Hook the turbine straight to the drive shaft and power it with a fuel cell.

It's not the same dream, but it's a dream... and my say build how you like it. Cause that's who's gotta really live with whats under the hood anyway.

AUS-IROC

Iv seen a 3rd gen firebird over here with a twin turbo supra 2jz motor in it. It might have been a car with a fabricated chassis and fibreglass body which would make the swap easy.

There are lots of 60s and 70s muscle cars over here with japanese turbo engines. Once the engine is in its very cheap and easy to get big power out of them.

GreeseMonkey16

Wow. lots of imput. I like this. Ok well now i'm kinda new the the whole engine swap scene so what kinda of things do i have to look for to make sure it would fit without too much touble. and what about stuff like the ecu?
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well i would buy a skyline if A. they werent like ban or whatever crap from the us and B. they werent like 20 grand wrecked! (plus the outragious shipping costs)

five7kid

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To be honest with you, I don't much like these kind of threads because they are so off-the-wall. But, I'd say if you have to ask that kind of question, you are way over your head and don't have the ability or resources to handle this. That isn't intended to be a put-down, just an honest observation.

It's going to be a LOT of trouble, and there's just no way to get around that.

Z28ricer

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There is no "things" you can look for to make it not be "too much trouble" it is too much trouble, no if's and's or but's, the engine isnt even available with a simple rear sump oil pan, you have already displayed that you do not know what you are doing with an engine swap, so a hybrid from something that isnt even close to working reasonably is way way out of your league.

I tried to be nice about it without letting you know that you just cant do it. You are way out of your league, and it would be a stupid waste of money if you even did manage to pull it off. A typical 240sx RB26DETT swap will run about 8000-10000 USD, and thats in a vehicle that it fits into and is somewhat able to be swapped in.

Consider the 1JZ if you want a hybrid, but an LS1 or LT1 swap would be something you could expect to complete and will go faster than you can handle anyway.

AUS-IROC

Funny thing is all the drifter over here are starting to put LS1s in their skylines and 180SXs(240SX in America I think). The alloy LS motors are something like 50kg lighter than the Nissan RB straight six motors.

Spend the money putting a pair of turbos on a small block and you've got the best of both worlds.

America sounds good. No skylines. You can't get away from them over here. It's like a plague.

VenomX-87

LS1 and Gen-TT R34 Skyline



Who wants to have a go at changing the spark plugs?


LSX's are light, Rev like crazy and have 8cyl with good displacement. drop 2 turbos in front of one and you have a very dangerous weapon!

VonKaiser

Like what's been said it can be done just it isn't economically viable. Personally if you are going to use a Nissan motor (which are brilliant) I'd use a VQ35DE. Plenty of bhp and torque, and the noise is pretty awsome too. Or you could just use the 4.5L V8 or 5.6L V8 Nissan has if you want a V8.

afida15

yeah people are gonna think your plan is stupid, one its a waste of money, two its a disgrace to Camaro's, why would you waste your money to put a smaller motor in your car when you can just get a nice Ls1 motor and twin turbo it and build it nice and make more power. its just dumb plain and simple

GreeseMonkey16

hmmm. lots to think about well if these lt1 and ls1 are so good what is the actuall difference like pricing wise and the other things is fuel economy. i mean this weill be a daily driver for a few years so idk. i just want alot more power then the stupid 305. i want something that will have very good acceleration something more or less like a drifting car. idk i am only 16 so i guess these are just dumb little things of my imagination. thanks for all the imput though guys.

Z28ricer

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Price differences:

RB26dett complete $4000, plus RB25 trans $1200, $5200 + approx $5000 in installation items, $10,200 for an engine rated at 280 HP, realistically more like 320.

LT1 with T56, about $2300, install items, $1500 doing it easy and right, $3800 for an easy swap, 300 HP stock, about 325 by the time you install it.

joshh44

anything can work if you got the skills.
i dont like the sound of tuner type cars. there annoying like heck there there mufflers and crap. sounds terrible!
if you want to do something different i say stick a Hemi in there.
thats what i would do. a 426 hemi.
vroom vroom.

GreeseMonkey16

ok. well how hard are these lt1s to find? and whats so special about them anyway?

five7kid

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eBay, craigslist, racingjunk.com, ls1tech.com, etc.

What's so special?

LT1 was a big jump in flow and chamber technology vs. Gen I. Sequential fuel injection, reverse cooling for improved temp control. Much better power and economy.

LS1 was a clean sheet of paper, all-aluminum engine, even more improvement to flow capability, and they got it right. Aftermarket stuff makes it even better.

Z28ricer

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A lot easier to find than an RB26DETT.

Not exactly that special, its got decent heads and induction stock, so it makes good power, it can be had cheap and will easily install into a thirdgen with very little $ spent. Modifying it makes it even more evil.

slow_90firebird

Wanna know what the LS1 is all about? Watch and learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QccGS6xG5Zo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fmVaqWjo0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAri8tW5LkY

ossseo28

wasn't trying to flame you or anything if it came out that way sorry. but all i'm sayin is why even have a camaro/firebird when your just going to put a stupid japanese engine in it. kinda deafeats the purpose of the car, and then you'll be just as bad as the *****s who think the're tuff ****. Again not flaming, may sound like it cause computers cant talk, but i'm not flamin you, just my 0.02

1985WS6transam

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the spark plugs are under the coils on top of the valve covers... Bring me the car and I'll have a go at changing the plugs.


That quote is from the Edmunds article on the mustang that had the Nissan engine in it... Dont know if anyone else noticed that but if 13.5 in the 1/4 is quick then I couldnt imagine what they would say about a real fast car...

Z28ricer

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Consider yourself corrected. The only thing under the coils is the valve covers, then rocker arms and valvesprings.

Spark plugs are located just like almost every other ohv pushrod V engine, down in the middle of the side of the head, right by the exhaust ports.

1985WS6transam

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Damn, thats what I get for working for a european repair shop. Lol, thanks I've never worked on an LS1, basically BMWs and such.

89importeater

just from your posts i dont really think you know what you are getting yourself into. what kind of fabrication skills do you have? it all sounds fairly simple but doing it would be a whole different animal. like others have said dollar for dollar a ls1 would be a much better choice. are you actually doing it to be different or are you actually a "undercover tuner"

VenomX-87

yeah i didn't think they were under the coils, would make it easer but i don't think there would be enough room to make it work.

GreeseMonkey16

well. in all honesty im 16. i didnt even graduate high school yet. however the majority of my family has backround in auto mechanics/ auto body repair i am close friends to the owner of two car garages. i may not know how to do these things on my own but i can figure it out with theyre help. and i know everyone keeps say that an ls1 is better and cheaper but is it really? i mean the rb26dett it prolly one of the best engines for bolt on power and for the most part you can take it to 600hp without changeing anything in the bottom end. (considering your not doing some like hard core racing) um as for your other question. i AM doing it to be different. adn what did you mean by undercover tuner?. i like both sides of the street. I like pure american musal but i also like the tuners. im just trying to find a place in the middle while like i sed being different. if putting lt1 and ls1 in camaros is becomeing more popular doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose? ya know?

Z28ricer

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Im just going to say it now, and we'll see if in 5 years you can prove me wrong, you will not install an RB26DETT into a thirdgen, and get it fully functional. End of story. Tried to help you get something that you could drive and be fast, and actually complete, your still stuck in the riced and the delirious, but I wish you luck.

GreeseMonkey16

and i thank you for your help. believe me. ive been doing some research on the ls1 and ws6 and i liike what i see. i just still do not understand why you say i wont get it into a thrid gen and get it "fully" functional. but again i thank you for your advice. i did do this to see what people would think and here there opinions.

AUS-IROC

There is no reason you won't get it in and working with enough time and money. I could see someone in Australia doing it because the Japanese parts are cheaper than American stuff over here. But with the price and availability of LS1s and LT1s in America I don't see why you won't do it.

Ill put myself out there for a flaming and agree it would be kinda cool conversion. But I think for ease of the install and the power levels you will achive a V8 might be the way to go.

GreeseMonkey16

well i know i'll get laughed at for this too but which would get better gas millage? a rb26dett or and ls1? and in all honesty can you upgrade an ls1 as much or more then a rb26dett?

Apeiron

In all honesty you could probably do more with the LS1.

89importeater

the aftermarket for the ls1 is nothing to be scoffed at. you can get great power out of an ls1 easy. i say go ls1 but in the end it is still your car. do as you will but i must say i think you will be setting yourself if for a let down in the end. keep doing your research on the ls1 and see if you really think is would be worth it to swap the jap motor instead. if you really care about being different it would be alot easier to put a ford motor in it. although i wouldnt suggest that either but i like it better than the RB26DETT.

Electron_Blue

Believe it or not I have actually researched putting one in. I looked at the 1jzgte and the rb25det. I wanted to do it just for {edit} and grins and I intended to throw my 355 back in later. When it came to it though, I just couldnt justify it. I am an engineer at one of the major car companies and while it intrigues me to try it and test my skills, in the end I gave up. However, my research did show me that a lot of the 240 and 280 Z guys are swapping these motors in. Their rear sump oil pans bolt right on. Then you are just left to fab the motor mounts, transmission mounts, coolant lines, clutch pedal cylinder and such, fuel system, driveshaft, exhaust, and then when that is done....you have to figure out the mess of wiring. Unless your car is gutted it will be hard to wire it considering the majority of wiring diagrams are in japanese. I had one of my managers translate them for me and even still half the translations dont quite make sense. SOOOO.....unless you have lots of fabrication knowledge, lots of money, can read japanese(just learn it, there are only like 1800 basic characters), and have all the time in the world, go with the ls1 and follow what other more experienced people have done. At the end of the day you will mostly still be one of the only people in your city with an ls1 in their thirdgen.

1985WS6transam

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I think this is the thing. Being different means differnt things to different people and putting a motor from a newer car into an older car in itself is different... to me.

Z28ricer

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IMO, at this point, all the idiots that are trying so hard to be "different" just end up being the same as every other tard with a sorry looking car because they were trying to be "different"