90 white Z

I have heard about pacesetter headers before but just not for third gens. I was looking on ebay for a pair and stumbled across these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-92...spagenameZWDVW
Does anyone have any experiences with these as far as quality/performance gains? Thanks a lot

klause83z28

Pacesetter isn't all that great. The main prob is that the collector is 2 1/2, just like the flowtech ones. That will inpede flow and the optimal idea is to get 3 inch collector back for a 3rd gen. however, I have heard the fitment is better than some, so you will save time and aggravation. Even with the smaller 2 1/2 outlet on the collector, I am sure they flow better than the manifolds that are on it now. Most people here use hooker shorties to my knowlege, and they love them. I am a hedman fan so I really can't plug hooker cause I don't want to be mistaken. Those pacesetter's also have the Y pipe too, so that is something to think about as well.

cheers!!

90 white Z

Thanks for the info, My buddy has them on his 99 SS and couldnt be happier w/ them. But I have also heard some very bad things about pacesetter through some other people w/ other kinds of cars. Anyways does that set have an O2 sensor bung or not?

klause83z28

Not sure, look at the auction. One can be sure that if it has the air injection then it will most likely have the o2 sensor fitting.

alvanwie

I have a set of the coated ones. Work good, but don't use any of the gaskets they give you. Blew them out almost immediately. Get the soft aluminum ones, they will seal fine. If you go with a 3" cat you will need to modify the y pipe. Yes they gave an o2 bung.

1991camcamaro

iTrader: (1)

i had the edelbrocks versions of these and they are

they sound like crap!!!

i just got rid of them and installed DOUGS LONGTUBES (there is pictures)

-------i just posted a thread below this thread--------DOUGS NEW LONGTUBES ---pics---

CHECK IT OUT

90 white Z

What do you mean "edelbrocks version"? Are you just talking about their shorty headers or the pacesetters?

1991camcamaro

iTrader: (1)

Yes i am talking about the SHORTY design,
shortys only let the engine breath a little better than stock, and increase torque more than horsepower, longtubes will increase mid-high range horse powers and level out the torque curve, since most TBI & TPI's already make decent torque more horsepower is a must.

i was not happy with my shortys, they are not worth the money, and the only advantage is they save room.

five7kid

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That write-up is horribly inaccurate. "82-92 LT1", "For engine codes E, F and J. Will not work with 82-87 HO TPI (high output tuned port injection.)" {there is no '82-'92 code J}. They're 1-1/2" primaries, not 1-5/8", there was no HO TPI, certainly no TPI from 82-85. Etc., etc., etc.

And 1991camcamaro, you are completely off-base. Shorties aren't your "problem", the rest of your engine is.

90 white Z

I noticed the write up was pretty incorrect as well, But I checked w/ the pacesetter website and that was the correct part#. So essentially whether or not the ebay seller knows they have the information messed up, It is still the right set for my car regardless.

rs coastie

i had a pacesetter header on my 240sx, steel, painted, best 120 dollars i ever spent. took a little finness to install but on that car even an oil filter was a pain in the a$$

1991camcamaro

iTrader: (1)

shortys make very little power differenc (SO THEY NOT WORTH THE MONEY) , also once again i have a 305tbi i am pretty sure i know whats wrong with the engine there, five7kid.
if you want to insult my engine then go ahead, (NEW MOTOR IS ON ITS WAY) i have dyno tested many headers and found that anything CARB approved/emissions legal makes little difference.
OFF topic
and since we are talking about exhaust and not about some elses engine

ZONES89RS

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Hahaha, anyway, my personal experience on my old 90 RS with the TBI 305, i would get beat by my buddys T5 TBI 305 92 RS, by about 2.5 cars, i installed the Hedman shortys with the Y pipe from them, i kooked him by 3 cars or so, i have never waisted my time on full lengths on a 305, but i will vouch for the Hedman shortys, they fit great and the Y-pipe worked wonderful, i will also mention the loss of a converter with the addition of the headers, go figure.

five7kid

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I wasn't insulting your engine, I was simply pointing out the error of your thinking. If you didn't do any PROM tuning on a SD system after installing the shorties, it's not surprising you didn't see a power difference. Invalid test.

300 RWHP/370 GFWHP should be sufficent proof that shorties do make a difference over stock manifolds.

alvanwie

Actually my pacesetters are 1-5/8" primary. I have see before where it was claimed they were 1-1/2" but mine measure 1-5/8.

mjustdie

I'd highly recommend looking into anything else other than Pacesetter. Their products suck, their techs suck and their customer service sucks. A few friends and myself went with their headers on a few different vehicles, and none of us have anything nice to say. One of my friends had to threaten to sue them before they replaced his header with a fresh built one, that was built right. From weak flanges, dinged primaries, to wrong emmissions plumbing, the problems were persistant. I had to go through hell and about 3 weeks of dealing with idiots to have one sent that actually was for the vehicle it was supposed to be for. That's just touching base on the problems we had. Then again, it's been a couple of years, maybe someone who knows what the hell they are doing stepped in to manage them guys. Stick with Hooker or Heddman, have yet to have seen anyone complain about them.

1991camcamaro

iTrader: (1)

Hey bud i would prob... stick with some more expensive headers (In this world you get what you pay for), hell you only need one set of them, why not save a little more and get some nice headers. Everyone seems to have there fav.. brand on this site, so to each is his own. also theres your choice of shortys to save room, good ground clearance. and longtubes.

I will tell you this i tried running the long tube headermans for the 3rd gen,(i installed 2 sets of them, they would not clear the lower inner control arm brackets, inwhich i couldnt even get the header bolts to the head started (remember 2 sets). i spend 3 weeks with the camaro down, i was tring to keep it cheap!!! so me and jegs came to a understanding, i ended up tring some Dougs longtubes b/c they are all coated you dont have a choice. well they are a true pain in the *** to install, but super nice quailty. they sound great, great boost in torque, and they look great. anyways spend some money now, save time and headaces later.

90 white Z

Thanks a lot for the positive comments guys!

SmallTires

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I'll throw my two cents in. Go with shorties if you are running a stock or mildly modified motor. Yes, longtubes produce more power, but ground clearance (generally) sucks. Also the high cost and general reworking of the previously existant exhaust system can be problematic for some people. I have a set of edelbrock shorties on my car and love them and quite frankly I have a fairly modified motor (heads, cam, intake, carb, full MSD iginition, and alot of other goodies) and they perform to my expectations. Sure I could get more power out of my combo by doing so. But unless you are looking to wring the most "hp" out of your car shorties are definitely a better thing, regardless of whom they are made by, then stock manifolds. Keep in mind the quality of the header is really reflected in the price. Good luck with whatever you choose!