Lateral G's

can somebody tell me "again' what year was the 5 speed with a 350 that had extra H.P. and maybe how they got the extra H.P. as i have to be "all stock" all the same motor... no heads from this and crank from that stuff....

todd200

GM never made a production Camaro or Firebird with a 350 and a 5- Speed.

DJP87Z28

NEVER, no Factory stock 350 & 5 sp were made.

91wtROH17's

I heard that a few late 86 test car's with the 5.7 had a 5 speed. Definetly no HP increase though.(I'm am not even close to positive about this) Unless you are talking about the 92 heritage car's that were never released, but they had the ZF 6 speed.

DJP87Z28

If your not positive, why post hearsay information. Again, Fact No
Factory Stock 3rd Gen Car with a 350 & 5-sp sold to the PUBLIC.

BADBIRD009

there was a 91 and 92 firehawk that had a 350 hp 350 and a 6 speed but there was only like 5 or 6 of in 91 and like 1200 or somthin in 92

91wtROH17's

Relax, I am posting what I heard. Not life and death here, just throughing my .02 cents in!!

DJP87Z28

Your reply was not even worth that much. The End.......:lala: :lala:

91wtROH17's

So sorry master!!:hail: You have way too much time on your hand's to be gettin pi**** off about stupid s*** like this. So DJP87Z28 (AKA ***) this thread I see belong's to you, I will leave it at that sir.

mystikkal_69

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:sillylol:


NONE to the public. Only a prototype or 2.

91wtROH17's

Thank you for the clarification.

Lateral G's

whoa, wait just a minute did somebody say firehawk??? with how much HP and torque?? and that would be a 3rd gen f-body now wouldn't it??? we may have stumbled on something here folks...anymore info on these firehawks?????

BADBIRD009

go to transamgta.com and type firehawk in the search

GTA-SPD

There were actually only 25 Firehawks built total. 7 in 91 and the rest in 92. The numbers go up to 27, but #18 & #23 were never built. What is really sick, is there was only 1 convertible and it was a 92 TRANS AM in gunmetal grey. That is the car I want.

scottland

it was the 305 that got a HP increase due to a bigger cam when coupled with the T-5.

Your looking for either '87 Z28's or

87-89 Iroc-Z's with a manual. They got a 20+hp increase whe equiped with a manual and a 305.

the 350 could only be ordered with a auto.

Why, I don't know.

If i had to guess, because GM does stupid things, and people are too lazy and ignorant to drive manuals

but the truth would probably be, because GM didn't trust the T-5 behind the 350, it could barely hold on the 305. a 350 backed with a stock T-5 would probably break 10,000 miles down the road.

BADBIRD009

yeah i just went to that page for the first time in a while but you are right only 25 of em were made

86iroctpi

Actually GM did produce some 350 5-speed IROC's starting in late '86, RPO 1LE. I'm sure you all have heard of the 1LE brake upgrades for early 3rd gens. This car had no a/c and no power options and hard top only. It was sold as a race ready Camaro. I'm not sure of production #'s or how long they were produced, but I'm sure they are rare.

Hawk92z-TDZ

But according to my books none of them ever hit the public.

86iroctpi

According to Camaro Performance Handbook by David Shelby, several were sold to the public. The exact # is not known, and in fact a large # of the 1LE's were ordered with a 305, but there were several ordered with a 350.

Codename 47

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I visited www.iroc-z.com and if you go to the "take the iroc quiz" thing question number 17 asks "Did Chevrolet make the 5.7L available with a manual transmission?" If you answer "no the manual transmission was only available with the 5.0L motor." you get the question wrong. THey claim that "Yes, very few in late 1986 and early 1987". Thats just what www.iroc-z.com says. Me myself, im not really sure. Just posting some info

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wow those firehawks are really sharp cars. Wish I could have one

Jim85IROC

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iroc-z.com is so full of mis-information that I wouldn't pick up my dog's turds with printouts from their site. The only CORRECT information on that site is the info that they stole from my site.

And for what it's worth... the single 92 Firehawk convertable was red, not grey. It was Firehawk #26.


http://www.transamgta.com/Firehawk/027.html

Codename 47

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I like your site Tim. The IROC is looking nice too. But damn that Camaro SS thats huggerorange with white interior...:hail:

twobirds

How many more times do we have to go over this 305/350 thing? It does get old after awhile. Where is the search icon again????

scottmoyer

I agree with Jim regarding iroc-z.com. The quiz also states that you can buy a 350 in 86. His reasoning is that the 87 models were saleable to the public in 86, so there were 350 IROC's sold in 86. The guy is an idiot.

As for the rest of this post, it was mentioned before and here again that the 350 5 speed combo was not available from the "FACTORY". A Firehawk, with a 6 speed, is not a factory delivered 350/5 speed. For those that have all the answers, the 350/5 speeds were not available to the public as none have ever been found and if they existed, we would have found at least 1 by now. The 1LE was available with the 305/5 speed combo or the 350/auto. If a 350/5 speed was available in 1986 under the 1LE option, then again, it was not available to the general public. As for the 1LE being mandated to have no AC, this again is untrue since we have documented one recently on ebay that AC, driving lights and power accessories.

Just because information is written in a book, doesn't mean it's true. The publishers get their information from the same misinformed people that are on iroc-z.com and many people here. Please KNOW your answers to be correct before you give the answer. If you're not sure, then let someone that knows the correct answer give it.

This site and iroczone.com have the most accurate information, but there are still inconsistencies. No one source has all the right answers.

pgh-gta

A few months ago, someone posted that they had found a car with power recaro seats and he was beat up saying that they didn't exist. To his credit he was able to prove this fact.

Although I do agree that this engine-tranny combo was not an available option, you never know if one truly did slip through the cracks. Just because one has never been seen doesn't mean there isn't one out there set up that way from the factory.

Willie

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And to think Allen, the admin at "that" site asked me to moderate their History board..... Sure am glad I turned it down.

Willie

RB83L69

There's a big difference between a seat option, and a drive train combination. Each drive train combo requires individual EPA certification, and cannot be sold without it. That's why the ZZ4 swap into a LG4 or L69 car was only emissions legal for an auto trans; it wasn't certified for a manual trans. Which, incidentally, is probably at least as much of a factor in why the 350/T-5 combo wasn't acailable as the durability issue; it probably couldn't pass smog regs.

So, yes, in fact, it does mean that it couldn't have come set up that way from the factory. If the 350/T-5 combo wasn't EPA certified, then GM didn't build it, at least not for the domestic market.

And if any of you have ever worked in a factory, you probably know that the people on the production line know every detail of the product that they make; and it would be essentially impossible for a non-product to slip out, since it would stick out like a sore thumb in QC, and would throw the inventory off, and every bean-counter in the plant would be all over it like white all over r¡ce.

Every time sombody posts this sort of thing (the legendary 50 86 IROCs with 350s is another one), we get the same sort of "I heard from my brother's girlfriend's boss's uncle's golf buddy's gardener that he read in a magazine once where somebody thought that they had heard from one of the other writers that they had overheard a conversation at the track between 2 former GM employees where one of them didn't deny that there might have been...." It's all a bunch of BS. It's pretty safe to say, they don't exist; and of one does, none of us out here in the real world will ever see it, much less have a chance to buy it; and the only place we'll ever see it offered for sale will be on eBay, with all the rest of the "rare" and "one-of-a-kind" car scams.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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No 350's until 87 and no 5-Speed with them ever from the factory, that is it.

Lateral G's

O.K. i did not know..... either way.... i do have a new question though....back to which 3rd gen camaro is the fastest and best handling in stock trim....

Krazzycowgirl

To be a Smart *** here the First 350w/ Manual trans was 1993.
Which was the start of the 4th gen camaros. & that was a 6sp.

I have seen one Camaro that was a 89 It was an irocz with a 350 with a 5sp. BUT it was Ordered from the Factory that way & the guy had to beg borrow & steal for that car. He didnt order it via a dealership he went to GM Corp office himself & Ordered that way. It had all the Docs with it.

Guest

scottmoyer

Where do these people come from? This did not happen at the factory. Chevrolet did not produce any 350/5 speed combos. If this guy was willing to fight and struggle to get it, the dealer probably installed it and charged him accordingly. Chevrolet would not allow a car to come from the factory, that costs considerably less than a Vette, that would beat a Vette, during the 3rd gen years. That's why the combo was not available. It put a Camaro too close to the Vette performance for much less $$. This car you saw will not have L98 and MM5 on the RPO sticker!!

I doctored my buildsheet. If I don't see it in person, I don't believe it unless it comes from someone with a reputable background. I changed MD8 4 spd auto tra to MM5 5 spd manu tra

scottmoyer

bogus buidsheet

Jim85IROC

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Are you sure you're not confusing sites here? Allan and I are admins at iroczone.com (and iroc.fbody.com), not iroc-z.com. Allan and I have made every attempt to ensure that all of our information is as accurate as possible, and inviting you as moderator was part of that attempt.

bigals87z28

ahh whew... that was a tuff one to get out of.... i saw a LT5 6spd in a third gen....
the best was some guy in the paper put up an add for a 89 iroc vert with a 350 and a 5spd STOCK... i dam near shat and called the guy up to tell him he was lying... i got a raft of jazz from his mouth and i just hung up on him and reported it to auto trader...
Ok, time for Big Als questions of the day
#1- I have heard the hawks got many engines varing from 350 to 400's.. is this true? if not, what where the engines or engine and tell me the output please.

#2- Riddle me this... We all know the t-5 was weak and that was one of the main reasons it was never put behind a 350... but the 305 with the L98 cam, the high out put, got the 5spd... but the auto version got a weak cam.... One would think since the 5spd couldnt take a lot of power, why couple it to a higher output engine? Why didnt the auto, which could handle way more power, get the weak cam? Its had me thinking... dont know.

Jim85IROC

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There were a couple hawks built for racing that came with different motors. The rest were pretty much all the same as far as I recall. I'm no hawk expert, so I'm not going to make any definate claims.

As for cams... this is also a guess, but I think it had to do with gas milage. Putting the L98 cam into the automatic cars would have lowered fuel milage below what GM wanted. I don't recall what the published gas milage numbers were for the 85 TPI IROC vs. the 86+, but I would be willing to bet it was lower.

TA76

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I thought the only way you could get a T5 with a 350 was in 91 and 92 and you had to order T-tops also.

NastyEssCee

here ya go

Bandit400

No, the T5 was not avail with L98 350 in '91,92.
If you wanted a manual trans you ordered L98 with Doug Nash 4+2 or you ordered the MN6 with LT-1 available only in '92 heritage cars with one green stripe, one blue stripe, with GTA emblems and painted only in Bright Yellow. The LT-1 cars were available only in convertible wheras the previously mentioned L98 cars required T-Tops.

........
I think 2 Firehawks got 383s. THe rest were all modified L98s "rated" about 350 hp and were 350cid. I don't think there were 400cid 'Hawks. I am not sure about that but someone posted it on SLPs site.

87WS6

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No. This was not the case.

87WS6

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Yes. 2 383 cars. Nothing above that.

Bandit400

He was only joking, as was I.

scottland

Actually to really be a smart ***, the first 350 w/ a Manual trans was the 1967 Camaro SS with the L48 350 and a 3spd manual. But whos keeping track.

87WS6

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I must have missed that.

You know on the home page of the forums they should make it read


"350's NEVER CAME WITH 5 Speed MANUAL TRANSMISSION"

"YES FOURTH GEN SEATS BOLT RIGHT IN"

"DO NOT BUY STICKERS FROM autografics.com"

And anything else that comes up every day.

:lala:

Bill Speed

red, dude....at least that's the way it was featured in HHP
I found my lost issue so I will attempt my own photos and hopefully get a scanner working at some point. HHP has covered these nicely I think and that ZF 6 speed made a smash in the 80s Vettes. There are other transmission options available with a small block so don't feel you are stuck with factory options.
Bill

8~SaSc~6

hahahahahah JIM WIHT THE IROC YOU ARE ****ING HILARIOUS. hahahahaha. i have noticed that a lot of sites contradict eachother but eh. oh well huh.
SaSc

DC87GTA

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Please see the following for transmission and engine sizes available in 3rd gen f-bodies. Info comes straight from manufacturer of the T-5, BWA.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...ross+Reference

If Link does not work search for "T-5 Transmission Cross Reference" in the Transmission and Drivetrian forum